Make your Champs predictions!

[Sir Zordor]

Galileo: 1114, 2485 (or 610) , 1806 (2nd seed)

Archimedes: 254, 469, 1334 (1st seed)

Newton: 1986, 1718, 190 (1st seed)

Curie: 1717, 3539, 2168 (4th seed, becoming 3rd seed with the 67 selection) (defeating 2056,67, 968 who is the #1 seed)


Galileo versus Newton = Galileo in game 3

Curie versus Archimedes = Curie in game 3

Galileo versus Curie = (gut says if 1114 did beat 1986 go with Galileo, but pretty close match gotta admit)

[Kevin Leonard]

Originally Posted by Sir Zordor

Galileo: 1114, 2485 (or 610) , 1806 (2nd seed)

Archimedes: 254, 469, 1334 (1st seed)

Newton: 1986, 1718, 190 (1st seed)

Curie: 1717, 3539, 2168 (4th seed, becoming 3rd seed with the 67 selection) (defeating 2056,67, 968 who is the #1 seed)


Galileo versus Newton = Galileo in game 3

Curie versus Archimedes = Curie in game 3

Galileo versus Curie = (gut says if 1114 did beat 1986 go with Galileo, but pretty close match gotta admit)

I don't think 1806 and 1334 will be available as 2nd picks.
And I think GvN would go in two matches in your case. But whatever, that's why it's predictions.

[Steven Sigley]

Originally Posted by Thunder910

There's been a lot of dismissive gestures toward FCS's, but I've seen firsthand the kind of carnage a good FCS can wreak. That "Rookie with a pool noodle" can be counter-blocked, like 67 was at MSC

And that, my friends, is how 701 and 2169 swept at Colorado.

[Justin Shelley]

I've been doing a lot of thinking and I can't decide which of these two options would be the best

Captain) Strong cycle bot with a 7 disc auto and 30pt climb

First Pick) Strong FCS with a hang

Second Pick) FCS with a hang

The advantage of this setup is that with two FCS and a cycler your opposing alliance has either the option to let you shoot like a boss or choose to block your FCS, thus reducing their scoring capabilities. With this setup even if you miss the FCS shots then your floor pickup captain can pick up the missed disc for maximum points.

Captain) Strong cycle bot with a 7 disc auto and 30pt climb

First Pick) Strong FCS with a hang

Second Pick) Strong defender with a 18pt auto and at least a 20pt climb

The advantage of this setup is that your FCS and cycler can both shoot while your defender cripples your competitors FCS. The only thing is that there are many FCS bots that can shoot around or through, 1706, a defensive robots guard.

I think a FCS is extremely important to a winning alliance, but this competition will be won by great cycling robots and climb points to a lesser extent

[Gregor]

Originally Posted by Justin Shelley

Captain) Strong cycle bot with a 7 disc auto and 30pt climb

I can count all the teams that can do this on 1 hand.

[PayneTrain]

At the level we're talking about, which is divisional elminations, it's not about possible points scored, but how consistently high the scoring is of each robot, regardless of opposition. A cycler who is known to bob and weave and put up 15/16 discs a match could see more value than an FCS that can kick out 24 discs but miss a bunch because of any factor affecting accuracy.

Those are points the other alliance can steal at this level, where you could have three robots on an alliance who can each clear more than a third of the discs behind the wall each match.

I'm slightly dismissive towards FCS robots because I see them falling to second pick in a lot of cases. For 2nd picks, alliances will probably look for consistent scoring in any form over the way you get the points to the hole, and cyclers are usually more accurate than FCSes, because dialing it in at a close range is not something that happens.

[EricDrost]

There's more than one way to stop a FCS. If the robots on your alliance work together and have good DTs, there's no reason that you should be beaten by a *pure* FCS.

A FCS that can also cycle well is an entirely different animal.

[Kevin Leonard]

Originally Posted by Justin Shelley

I've been doing a lot of thinking and I can't decide which of these two options would be the best

Captain) Strong cycle bot with a 7 disc auto and 30pt climb

First Pick) Strong FCS with a hang

Second Pick) FCS with a hang

The advantage of this setup is that with two FCS and a cycler your opposing alliance has either the option to let you shoot like a boss or choose to block your FCS, thus reducing their scoring capabilities. With this setup even if you miss the FCS shots then your floor pickup captain can pick up the missed disc for maximum points.

Captain) Strong cycle bot with a 7 disc auto and 30pt climb

First Pick) Strong FCS with a hang

Second Pick) Strong defender with a 18pt auto and at least a 20pt climb

The advantage of this setup is that your FCS and cycler can both shoot while your defender cripples your competitors FCS. The only thing is that there are many FCS bots that can shoot around or through, 1706, a defensive robots guard.

I think a FCS is extremely important to a winning alliance, but this competition will be won by great cycling robots and climb points to a lesser extent

I'm of the opinion alliance composition for most winning alliances will compose of an FCS, Ground Pickup, and Cycler. The alliance probably needs to pull off at least 13 discs in auto between them to compete well.

Now based on the teams and divisions we're talking about, the FCS, GnDPkp, and Cycler will have varying strengths based on which one is the captain.
In Galileo, for example, 1114 could be the alliance captain or first pick, being the strong cycler on the alliance.
However, in Newton, the FCS could be the captain/first pick being that it has such a strong set of FCS's.
Archimedes is going to be decided by the ground pickups- and some times in the division can be all three roles depending on their alliance partners (i.e. 469 and 987).
Curie is a very balanced division, but chances are goos that a team like 2056 seeds first and picks 67, making the cycler the weaker alliance partner in the winning alliance.

[Justin Shelley]

Originally Posted by Gregor

I can count all the teams that can do this on 1 hand.

Robots that can do a 7 disc auto

Archimedes

33, 254, 379, 469, 987, 2154, 2590, 3310,

Curie

103, 233, 968, 1310, 1540, 1684, 1717, 2056, 3539,

Galileo

118, 1323, 1477, 2175, 2337, 2474, 3528,

Newton

1538, 1986, 2054, 3476

[Gregor]

Originally Posted by Justin Shelley

Robots that can do a 7 point auto

Archimedes

33, 254, 379, 469, 987, 2154, 2590, 3310,

Curie

103, 148, 233, 968, 1310, 1540, 1684, 1717, 2056, 3539,

Galileo

118, 1323, 1477, 2175, 2337, 2474, 3528,

Newton

1538, 1986, 2054, 3476

7 disk auto and 30 point climb.

254, 1986.

[Justin Shelley]

Originally Posted by Thunder910

I'm of the opinion alliance composition for most winning alliances will compose of an FCS, Ground Pickup, and Cycler. The alliance probably needs to pull off at least 13 discs in auto between them to compete well.

I'm under the opinion that the majority of great cyclers have a floor pickup. At least the ones I view as possible winning robots.

[Ivan Malik]

I predict that at least 3 teams to play on Einstein will be from Michigan... A fairly safe bet too.

[joelg236]

Originally Posted by Justin Shelley

Robots that can do a 7 point auto

...

7 points? Oh golly that'd be tough to do.

[XaulZan11]

Originally Posted by Justin Shelley

Robots that can do a 7 point auto

Galileo

118, 1323, 1477, 2175, 2337, 2474, 3528,

Have they done this in a match yet? The couple matches I saw they didn't pick up any extra discs.

[StAxis]

Originally Posted by Justin Shelley

Robots that can do a 7 point auto

Archimedes

33, 254, 379, 469, 987, 2154, 2590, 3310,

Curie

103, 148, 233, 968, 1310, 1540, 1684, 1717, 2056, 3539,

Galileo

118, 1323, 1477, 2175, 2337, 2474, 3528,

Newton

1538, 1986, 2054, 3476

(Emphasis mine) Maybe I missed something huge here, but almost certain that 148 does not have a floor pickup...