Einstein 2013

[AaronLeondar]

And Galileo takes it for the third year in a row!

[Gregor]

Congratulations to our 2013 World Champions, Team 1241, Team 1477, and Team 610!

[Akash Rastogi]

Amazing performances by all.

1477 <3

[Abhishek R]

Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi

1477 <3

1477 <3 here too.

[ENeyman]

I'm a little confused. Didn't Newton beat Galileo in the first two matches. Why did it go to a third?

On that note, where can I find the Einstein match results? (My phone died during semis.)

[Akash Rastogi]

Originally Posted by ENeyman

I'm a little confused. Didn't Newton beat Galileo in the first two matches. Why did it go to a third?

On that note, where can I find the Einstein match results? (My phone died during semis.)

the 2nd match's score was falsely reported. It was corrected and it went to a third match. Galileo won the 3rd match. You missed a lot of anxiety Emmett!

[Steven Donow]

Originally Posted by ENeyman

I'm a little confused. Didn't Newton beat Galileo in the first two matches. Why did it go to a third?

On that note, where can I find the Einstein match results? (My phone died during semis.)

They miscalculated the score of that match, Galileo actually won, so they went to the third match where Galileo beat Newton.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by ENeyman

I'm a little confused. Didn't Newton beat Galileo in the first two matches. Why did it go to a third?

Here's what you missed:

SF2-2 was ruled to have been miscounted (254 points being rather a high score when you only have two operational robots), with Galileo actually winning with the announced score and Newton having a smaller score (though not by much, I think it was around 200 points).

SF2-3 was then played and Galileo cleanly won (the only match where all 6 robots were functional the entire time, though none of the shutdowns appeared to be due to field issues).

Galileo then lost F-1 before winning F-2 and F-3.

[Abhishek R]

I was amazed at how two teams were able to put 254 points up in that match, confused me for a bit...however, no one made it easy for these guys to win, a rubber match in every single round? And they had to battle all kinds of bots, from 30/50 point climbers to full-court shooters. Very impressive, well-rounded alliance.

[Siri]

Originally Posted by Brandon_L

It wasn't a replay, it was match 3.



My question is, where did they get the score from? The field has been cleared and there was a match inbetween. In all fairness, the second match should have been replayed.

Side note, this is Einstein. If we can hand count at Hatboro why can't we hand count at Einstein?

Yes, they did indeed hand count directly after our match. The error wasn't in counting but in adding.

Frank explained it to us personally during finals. They put those baskets up, raise the center of the goal to empty the discs, and then count each basket separately (subtract auton discs later). The two baskets for us were 20 and 26, but instead of writing 46 the scorer inverted it and wrote 64. They didn't recount the discs (because they didn't find it until way later...ouch), Frank just showed us the physical paper on which they'd scribbled:

20
26
64

It hurt (a lot more than it would have otherwise), but there was no doubt and no legal reason to replay. Of course, explaining that to crying students is another issue

Galileo deserved it though. They were both fair wins, and personally couldn't think of a better alliance to lose to. Everyone was very gracious. Congratulations, guys!

[610.Dad]

Wow! What an incredible accomplishment for these young people! I watched my own son, with great fatherly pride, assume a lead role in his senior year in what is basically another Grade 12 course without the credit! FIRST played a big role in his choice of Engineering for his undergrad work next year, and to have everything come together for 610 like this in their school's 100th anniversary year, is amazing!

Hats off to all the boys, the amazing mentors and teachers including Mr. Lim and everyone who had a hand in this incredible experience.

And of course, congratulations to every young person who made some great memories today, and the adults who supported them in their pursuits.

Well done.

[Justin Shelley]

This was an amazing competition and most of the major powershouse teams didn't make it to Einstein!! What do you guys think of FIRST using video recording to overturn a call?

[Gregor]

Originally Posted by Justin Shelley

This was an amazing competition and most of the major powershouse teams didn't make it to Einstein!! What do you guys think of FIRST using video recording to overturn a call?

Please quote a source here, because that's not what happened.

[Justin Shelley]

Originally Posted by Gregor

Please quote a source here, because that's not what happened.

When it was originally determined that Newton beat Galileo in the second match and therefore put Newton in the finals. This was overturned because of a disc mis-count that was proved by reviewing video from the match and allowed Galileo to beat Newton in the third match therefore advancing to the Einstein Finals.

[Gregor]

Originally Posted by Justin Shelley

When it was originally determined that Newton beat Galileo in the second match and therefore put Newton in the finals. This was overturned because of a disc mis-count that was proved by reviewing video from the match and allowed Galileo to beat Newton in the third match therefore advancing to the Einstein Finals.

Oh really?

Originally Posted by Siri

Yes, they did indeed hand count directly after our match. The error wasn't in counting but in adding.

Frank explained it to us personally during finals. They put those baskets up, raise the center of the goal to empty the discs, and then count each basket separately (subtract auton discs later). The two baskets for us were 20 and 26, but instead of writing 46 the scorer inverted it and wrote 64. They didn't recount the discs (because they didn't find it until way later...ouch), Frank just showed us the physical paper on which they'd scribbled:

20
26
64

It hurt (a lot more than it would have otherwise), but there was no doubt and no legal reason to replay. Of course, explaining that to crying students is another issue

Galileo deserved it though. They were both fair wins, and personally couldn't think of a better alliance to lose to. Everyone was very gracious. Congratulations, guys!