Einstein 2013

[610.Dad]

Wow! What an incredible accomplishment for these young people! I watched my own son, with great fatherly pride, assume a lead role in his senior year in what is basically another Grade 12 course without the credit! FIRST played a big role in his choice of Engineering for his undergrad work next year, and to have everything come together for 610 like this in their school's 100th anniversary year, is amazing!

Hats off to all the boys, the amazing mentors and teachers including Mr. Lim and everyone who had a hand in this incredible experience.

And of course, congratulations to every young person who made some great memories today, and the adults who supported them in their pursuits.

Well done.

[Justin Shelley]

This was an amazing competition and most of the major powershouse teams didn't make it to Einstein!! What do you guys think of FIRST using video recording to overturn a call?

[Gregor]

Originally Posted by Justin Shelley

This was an amazing competition and most of the major powershouse teams didn't make it to Einstein!! What do you guys think of FIRST using video recording to overturn a call?

Please quote a source here, because that's not what happened.

[Justin Shelley]

Originally Posted by Gregor

Please quote a source here, because that's not what happened.

When it was originally determined that Newton beat Galileo in the second match and therefore put Newton in the finals. This was overturned because of a disc mis-count that was proved by reviewing video from the match and allowed Galileo to beat Newton in the third match therefore advancing to the Einstein Finals.

[Walter Deitzler]

Edit:: Gregor beat me too it.

Originally Posted by Justin Shelley

When it was originally determined that Newton beat Galileo in the second match and therefore put Newton in the finals. This was overturned because of a disc mis-count that was proved by reviewing video from the match and allowed Galileo to beat Newton in the third match therefore advancing to the Einstein Finals.

Not quite.

Originally Posted by Siri

Yes, they did indeed hand count directly after our match. The error wasn't in counting but in adding.

Frank explained it to us personally during finals. They put those baskets up, raise the center of the goal to empty the discs, and then count each basket separately (subtract auton discs later). The two baskets for us were 20 and 26, but instead of writing 46 the scorer inverted it and wrote 64. They didn't recount the discs (because they didn't find it until way later...ouch), Frank just showed us the physical paper on which they'd scribbled:

20
26
64

It hurt (a lot more than it would have otherwise), but there was no doubt and no legal reason to replay. Of course, explaining that to crying students is another issue

Galileo deserved it though. They were both fair wins, and personally couldn't think of a better alliance to lose to. Everyone was very gracious. Congratulations, guys!

In other news, awesome job 610, 1477, and 1241, you guys were AWESOME and most definitely deserved the win. These are the best finals I have seen in my time in FIRST. (And don't even get me started on Galileo eliminations, those were intense!)

[DampRobot]

Can I give a big shout out to 1678? First, it's cool to see a Cali team make it to the highest stage at world champs, but the Citrus Circuits are truly inspirational in additional ways. They went from virtually unknown a few years ago to being extremely competitive for all of the last three years (dare I say, powerhouse?). Their robot might not look as clean and professional as a 254 or 148 bot, but it's nevertheless very high performance. 1678 is a testament to what awesome prototyping, driver practice, and good old fashioned hard work can do.

[Ryan Dognaux]

I just wanted to recognize 303, 3476 & 1640 for playing an amazing strategy on Newton and onto Einstein. 3476's floor pickup was some of the best I've seen all year. 303's full court shooting was top notch and 1640's ability to go from collecting discs and shooting to playing defense at the drop of a hat was great to watch, and that 30 point climb absolutely gave you the edge.

I know it's going to take some time to get over the scoring mistakes made on Einstein, but be proud of how far you went this year. You all surprised everyone and I think you had the entire stadium rooting for you in the Newton finals.

I was hoping to see MAR vs. Michigan play out on the biggest stage and for a second there it almost happened.

We really, really have to make sure that this kind of stuff doesn't happen again next year. Two years running Einstein ran less than spectacular, for different reasons, but to me it didn't feel like Einstein until the final matches because of this scoring goof.

[TylerS]

Originally Posted by Ryan Dognaux

I just wanted to recognize 303, 3476 & 1640 for playing an amazing strategy on Newton and onto Einstein. 3476's floor pickup was some of the best I've seen all year. 303's full court shooting was top notch and 1640's ability to go from collecting discs and shooting to playing defense at the drop of a hat was great to watch, and that 30 point climb absolutely gave you the edge.

I know it's going to take some time to get over the scoring mistakes made on Einstein, but be proud of how far you went this year. You all surprised everyone and I think you had the entire stadium rooting for you in the Newton finals.

I was hoping to see MAR vs. Michigan play out on the biggest stage and for a second there it almost happened.

We really, really have to make sure that this kind of stuff doesn't happen again next year. Two years running Einstein ran less than spectacular, for different reasons, but to me it didn't feel like Einstein until the final matches because of this scoring goof.

Thanks it means a lot to hear that especially from someone just pointing it out on the internet.

[Nick Lawrence]

Wow, simply wow. I have a million and one stories to share of this weekend, but I'm going to need a couple days to process the whirlwind that this weekend was. I'm so proud of our students and mentors alike, for never giving up in the face of adversity every step of the way. Thank you as well to our partners 1241 and 1477 for making this dream a reality. And thank you as well to 469, 33 and 1519. I couldn't have asked for a better group of teams to compete against in the big show.

Threedom for life.

-Nick

[WhoRWe]

As a member of 303, I'd like to congratulate the Champions, 1241-1477-610, who are some of the best robots to play on Einstein. This alliance definitely deserved the victory in match 2 and 3 of the semifinals. While the way match 2 was handled definitely was disappointing, there was no need for a reset of the match, only the scoring was incorrect.

Overall, the experience of the entire competition was amazing. Making it to Einstein with 3476 and 1640 (who I cannot thank enough), was absolutely the greatest moment in 303 history.

I can only hope that next year can be just as (or even more) amazing than this year!

[Grim Tuesday]

Special shout out to Jondarr Bradshaw, the best announcer in FIRST. I'm glad they let him announce on Einstein this year, he really has an amazing voice.

I think all the congratulations have already been said. One word about the alliances that made it to Einstein and have in previous years:

They were true alliances.

Other alliances may have had the best robots but it seems to me that the ones that win Einstein are composed of not just two of the very best and a good one but a true power team as the third bot. How 610, 1519, 862, 1640 fell to the second round is stupendous.

It's interesting to take a look at the pedigree of each of the Einstein bots and where they were in the draft:

Archimedes 2nd alliance: 33 (3 districts), 469 (3 districts and MSC), 1519 (1 regional) (1 State Championship, 6 districts, 1 regional)

Curie 1st alliance: 1678 (1 regional, 148 (2 regionals), 862 (2 districts) (2 districts, 3 regionals)

Newton 3rd alliance: 303 (no wins), 3476 (no wins), 1640 (MAR cmp as 16th pick) (1 Region Championship)

Galileo 5th alliance: 1241 (no wins), 1477 (1 win [almost didn't qualify]), 610 (1 win) (2 regional wins)

The combined OPR pre-championship of each alliance using best OPR was [in order of pick]:
Archimedes: 74+92+64= 230
Curie: 46+71+68= 185
Newton: 47+50+43= 140
Galileo: 55+77+63= 195

So Archimedes was highly favored to win but Galileo was close enough. Also note how in none of the alliances did the alliance captain have the best OPR prior to Championships.

[NXTGeek]

Originally Posted by Grim Tuesday

Special shout out to Jondarr Bradshaw, the best announcer in FIRST. I'm glad they let him announce on Einstein this year, he really has an amazing voice.

I think all the congratulations have already been said. One word about the alliances that made it to Einstein and have in previous years:

They were true alliances.

Other alliances may have had the best robots but it seems to me that the ones that win Einstein are composed of not just two of the very best and a good one but a true power team as the third bot. How 610, 1519, 862, 1640 fell to the second round is stupendous.

It's interesting to take a look at the pedigree of each of the Einstein bots and where they were in the draft:

Archimedes 2nd alliance: 33 (3 districts), 469 (3 districts and MSC), 1519 (1 regional) (1 State Championship, 6 districts, 1 regional)

Curie 1st alliance: 1678 (1 regional, 148 (2 regionals), 862 (2 districts) (2 districts, 3 regionals)

Newton 3rd alliance: 303 (no wins), 3476 (no wins), 1640 (MAR cmp as 16th pick) (1 Region Championship)

Galileo 5th alliance: 1241 (no wins), 1477 (1 win [almost didn't qualify]), 610 (1 win) (2 regional wins)

The combined OPR pre-championship of each alliance using best OPR was [in order of pick]:
Archimedes: 74+92+64= 230
Curie: 46+71+68= 185
Newton: 47+50+43= 140
Galileo: 55+77+63= 195

So Archimedes was highly favored to win but Galileo was close enough. Also note how in none of the alliances did the alliance captain have the best OPR prior to Championships.

Sorry, but quoting the pre-champ OPR for judgement of each alliance...

[Grim Tuesday]

Originally Posted by NXTGeek

Sorry, but quoting the pre-champ OPR for judgement of each alliance...

Oh I in no way believe it to be a reliable indicator of who should have won once they hit Einstein. Purely from a 'who could have predicted this!' standpoint, I think they are just interesting numbers and directly comparable to team performance in the regional/district season.

Especially in the case of Code Orange, I have no doubt that their pre-cmp OPR was highly unrepresentative of their actual performance.

[Abhishek R]

Originally Posted by NXTGeek

Sorry, but quoting the pre-champ OPR for judgement of each alliance...

Using the OPR's recorded in the FRC Tracker app (This is all from CMP), I got the following total combined OPR's for each Einstein alliance:

Archimedes: 179.9

Curie: 189.9

Galileo: 146.7

Newton: 185.9

Obviously, OPR told us nothing about anything at all, as usual.

[Abhishek R]

The teamwork required to synchronize trips to and from the feeder station with three cyclers still astounds me. The rotation of defense was perfect, this was a strategy not expected (no true defender to block an FCS, as 610 never used their blocker and 1477 was just raising their shooter). Then the attempts to sut down 1114's climb (unfortunately got several foul points in the first match, but at least they recognized the threat). How 610 dropped that low in the draft, I have no idea but that just sealed the deal to gt three amazing bots like themselves on the same alliance. I wonder how IRI will turn out to be...