Best Matches Of All Time

[EricH]

Originally Posted by PVCpirate

I always see these matches with 71 but one thing that never made sense to me, did scoring the balls do anything in that game?

Yep. If you scored the balls into a goal that was in your scoring zone (the one just across the midfield zone from you), they were worth points. If you scored them into a goal in your opponents' scoring zone, they got the points. Moving a goal from your zone to your opponents' zone, or vice versa, changed which alliance they scored for. BUT... moving the goal out of one of the goal scoring zones entirely meant no ball points and no goal points for anybody, IIRC.

I know we won an offseason because we had one more ball in our goals than our opponents did, or something like that--they hand counted those.

[MarkoRamius1086]

Best or most memorable? Certainly the infamous Match 100 of Curie back in 2010 would make it onto the list! It was the only match of it's kind, after they figured a potential flaw in the ranking system that year.

http://www.thebluealliance.com/team/469/2010

[Abhishek R]

At IRI last year, 118, 16, and 624 got a high score for Rebound Rumble (136) and after triple balancing, 118 scored a 3 pointer off of the bridge! It was exciting to watch.

[lakstick]

Originally Posted by MarkoRamius1086

Best or most memorable? Certainly the infamous Match 100 of Curie back in 2010 would make it onto the list! It was the only match of it's kind, after they figured a potential flaw in the ranking system that year.

Us RoboDawgs are happy to have been a part of that match! Definitely our most fun match of the entire year! I mean, it's not often that you get to be in a match with the likes of Simbotics, WildStang, and Las Guerillas!

[Joe Ross]

My (biased) favorite was 2005 Einstein SF2-3. With 1 second left, 503 capped a tetra breaking up a row (13 point swing). We won by 13 points.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFBQdQXIuwY (the real time score was incorrect towards the end of the match as red owned one more goal then shown).

The match before it, we won by 3 points, so the combined winning margin was 2 tetras.

[Alex2614]

Originally Posted by MarkoRamius1086

Best or most memorable? Certainly the infamous Match 100 of Curie back in 2010 would make it onto the list! It was the only match of it's kind, after they figured a potential flaw in the ranking system that year.

http://www.thebluealliance.com/team/469/2010

Can somebody explain the reasoning behind 1114 scoring for the red alliance?

Originally Posted by jblay

For me, my favorite match, without a doubt, is Finals Match 1 on Einstein from 2010. 469 + 1114, thought to be unstoppable, defeated by HOT's buzzer beater hang to win by 2 points. What makes this match so very special is that there is 0 video of this post buzzer hang, just Blair saying "watch this machine fly" and the video pans over to 1114 as the buzzer sounds, they have already pulled off their hang and are just sitting there but 67 is still pulling up, worst camera move in the history of FIRST.

I agree. I still watch those Einstein matches for entertainment

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Alex2614

Can somebody explain the reasoning behind 1114 scoring for the red alliance?

A ranking system that will hopefully never return. Basically, they figured they were going to lose the match anyway, and the ranking system rewarded you for losing if you kept your score very low. 1114's partners blocked their own goals immediately, 1114 joined in scoring for red, and there wasn't anything 469 and their partners could really do about it other than watch their ranking plummet.

It wasn't a potential flaw in the ranking system, it was a flawed ranking system. It's also Strike 1 on Coopertition in the rankings. (2012 was Strike 3--the bridge was used to destroy some rankings.)

Originally Posted by Alex2614

Can somebody explain the reasoning behind 1114 scoring for the red alliance?

Long story short, in 2010 it was advantageous to win by a smaller margine than a large margine.

[Alex2614]

Originally Posted by EricH

A ranking system that will hopefully never return. Basically, they figured they were going to lose the match anyway, and the ranking system rewarded you for losing if you kept your score very low. 1114's partners blocked their own goals immediately, 1114 joined in scoring for red, and there wasn't anything 469 and their partners could really do about it other than watch their ranking plummet.

It wasn't a potential flaw in the ranking system, it was a flawed ranking system. It's also Strike 1 on Coopertition in the rankings. (2012 was Strike 3--the bridge was used to destroy some rankings.)

I remember that a little more now. It was a while ago. If I remember correctly, there was something similar in 2009? I wouldn't really know, as that was our (very) "off" year. Anyway, I really did not like the co-op bridge in 2012. I liked the bridges a lot, just not the co-op.

[lorem3k]

1114 vs. 2056 at in Finals 1-1 2012's GTR West will always have a special place in my heart.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIQ85frlBzc

[coalhot]

Personally, it would have to be the finals at Philly, 2008.

You had the alliance of 103/272/834 (three high ranked, high powered shooters), VS the alliance of 365/341/84 (solid alliance, not as fast at hurdling).

No one thought that 103 would lose, at all. They had outscored everyone else by wide margins the whole weekend. Sitting in the stands, and watching the finals matches was one of the most exhilarating experiences ever, for me.

http://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2008pa

[Don Wright]

Originally Posted by EricH

A ranking system that will hopefully never return. Basically, they figured they were going to lose the match anyway, and the ranking system rewarded you for losing if you kept your score very low.

Not really accurate. The system rewarded you if you lost and the team you lost too had a very HIGH score. That's why teams scored 6 v 0 instead of just not scoring at all.

And I don't think they figured that were going to lose anyway...they just weighed the odds and with 111 also high in the rankings, the best strategy for them was to 6 v 0...and it proved correct as they ended up seeding first.

[PayneTrain]

Originally Posted by Alex2614

I remember that a little more now. It was a while ago. If I remember correctly, there was something similar in 2009? I wouldn't really know, as that was our (very) "off" year. Anyway, I really did not like the co-op bridge in 2012. I liked the bridges a lot, just not the co-op.

Every competition in FRC I have been involved with through 2011 used a system where the winning alliance received the losing alliance's unpenalized score and the losing alliance received their penalized score as part of "seeding points". In 2010, it was called the Coopertition Bonus and those values were doubled. Those were they tiebreakers until in 2012 your HP, and now in 2013 your AP counts as the tiebreaker, which I think everyone is a fan of.

In 2009, 2011, and 2013, your QS was based on the 2-1-0 system. 2 points for a win, 1 for a tie, 0 for a loss. Very straightforward.

In 2012 the coopertition bonus was scored under the 2-1-0 system and was included in the QS, which made some events... interesting.

2010 was a big exception in FRC. Teams earned "seeding points". Every team was given the winning alliance score, with a 5 point bonus if you win. 1114/111 lost the match but really only lost 5 points in the seeding system. At CMP, the matches were high-scoring enough for 5 points to be miniscule enough to overcome, unlike how losing 2 matches at CMP can destroy your hopes at being an alliance captain and 3 losses can really put you in serious trouble.
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I liked the 2011 MSC finals and the 2012 Archimedes finals the most.

[Mark Sheridan]

Originally Posted by Joe Ross

My (biased) favorite was 2005 Einstein SF2-3. With 1 second left, 503 capped a tetra breaking up a row (13 point swing). We won by 13 points.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFBQdQXIuwY (the real time score was incorrect towards the end of the match as red owned one more goal then shown).

The match before it, we won by 3 points, so the combined winning margin was 2 tetras.

In my opinion (also biased) that entire semifinal series in 2005 was awesome. How awesome it was with 330, 67, 503 versus 245, 217, and 766? Also that 330, 245 and 766 competed against each other in Sacramento and 67,217, 245 and 503 competing in michigan. I would say both alliances knew each other very well. Finally, I loved it was a huge slug fest between 67 and 217, they just kept on capping.

Do this day I am haunted by the second and last match, we should have tried to make a dive into your back row the break two of your rows.

I remember standing next Einstein after losing, frustrated; I stared at the crown and realized how lucky I was and how surreal it was. I swear it felt like a dream. I didn't even watch the finals, I was too shellshocked that I had made it to Einstein.

I joke that 2005 SF2-3 cursed me that day, I had to become a mentor because I have to return to Einstein. I have been chasing it ever since (well sort of, I put it on hold for college)

[jblay]

Originally Posted by coalhot

Personally, it would have to be the finals at Philly, 2008.

You had the alliance of 103/272/834 (three high ranked, high powered shooters), VS the alliance of 365/341/84 (solid alliance, not as fast at hurdling).

No one thought that 103 would lose, at all. They had outscored everyone else by wide margins the whole weekend. Sitting in the stands, and watching the finals matches was one of the most exhilarating experiences ever, for me.

http://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2008pa

Lets not forget the fact that in one of those finals matches 341 released a ball from their claw at the buzzer and it rolled past the line to give their alliance 2 points and the win.