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Re: Saving Seats Epidemic
Perhaps this should the only approved method of saving seats:
http://www.larknews.com/archives/301 |
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5:28 AM here. Matched and raised.
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Sorry - My team will not be making hotel reservations in the future. We're simply going to sleep in dark corners at the venue and will be in the prime seats while you two are still scuffling over who's first in line. Not only will be get prime seats, but we'll save a good bit of change on lodging.
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This debate can go on forever but the only real way to solve it is for everyone to agree to not save seats. Unfortunately, that will not happen. Teams still leave signs in the stands when they go to lunch and (regrettably) leave them in the stands when they leave for the day. There are tons of rules stated by FIRST that are not actually enforced. Best example is this excerpt from section 4.13 of the manual: We ask that you bring attention to your team in ways that are in good taste and in the spirit of the competition. Please refrain from the following:How often are these rules broken with innocent intentions? Often. I think the best solution for FIRST is to limit the competition sizes. Please don't get me wrong, I don't think the number of teams in FIRST should be capped. Instead, we need more regional events and/or a district set up. I'm sorry, but 65 teams in Palmetto and 60 in Peachtree was AWFUL. Not only is saving seats a problem but so is pit crowding and robot transportation. Alternatively, if you want to have 60 teams in Peachtree, find a better venue to hold them. If the number of teams and team members increase, logic says that the regional venue should change as well. |
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I fail to see the problem here. You want good seats, get there early. There should be staff in the venue during the mad rush that kick teams out of seats they are trying to occupy with flags, banners, pom poms, signs, whatever. That solves that problem. We had our entire team up extremely early (as did 3-4 others) in order to be one of the first teams in. All our mentors were up past midnight every night too. If you want good seats, that's what you've got to do.
The real problem is that it's a complete madhouse getting in and totally unsafe. Everyone has heard stories of students getting shoved, knocked down, hit, trampled, etc. One of our students may have fractured his foot on Saturday morning due to the mad rush when the doors opened. This year security actually tried to enforce a line, up until about 6:30-6:45. Right around then the 1 person they had out there was completely overwhelmed by the massive quantities of people showing up and effectively ceased to have any authority. This resulted in the 4 teams who were there hours early getting in first, the people who showed up at 6:45 and line jumped getting in next, and the 20 teams who got there after the first 4 (and stood in line like they were supposed to) getting in about 200 people after they should have. This is completely unfair to those who followed the process but failed to be at the very front of the line. Solution: more security outside, instead of inside. Security likes to play the "guess the door" game. Stop being coy about which doors will open. Clearly label the doors that will be opening (and limit it to maybe 2-3 doors at the start) and it will be much easier to enforce the creation of a line. Teams will also have less opportunity to start sprinting once inside. If you got in front of the wrong doors 2 hours early you were just as screwed as showing up when the doors opened. Or teams (again) showed up at 6:45, stood in front of an empty doorway, and then that doorway opened when there had been no previous indication it would do so. Stop counting down to the doors opening. This is incredibly dangerous as it actively encourages people to start shoving and running once the doors open. I think some kind of coupon system could be wise. Barricade off the courtyard outside the doors, institute proper lines (maybe by division) and be there at 5:00-5:30 AM to distribute tickets to the first x people in line for maybe 2-3 "zones". When you get to your field, you have to show your tickets to go down in the seats. This wouldn't be terribly difficult to do and only needs to be enforced for the first few minutes. The teams who get there first get the seats they want and nobody needs to run because anyone who jumps them in line won't have the right "zone" tickets. That still adds complexity to a situation that just needs order outside the doors, though. After 20 years you'd think FIRST could figure out how to make people form a proper queue. If they could do that and have fewer entrances for the first few minutes then everything would get a lot better. |
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Aside: I would like to clarify a point that I brought up earlier. Our team sends our entire group to get in line for seats at an event together early, except the drive team and pit crew. They join us when the doors open to the stadium, and usually go to work in the pits immediately. All the people who would be using seats in the stadium are in line together, and there is no saving of seats by any member of our team. I apologise if my earlier point may have been misleading. |
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In my home regional event, Finger Lakes, the regulars have been attending for so long that everyone takes the same seats every year. We always sit in the top of the venue, closest to the pits. 1126 sits next to us. 3173 sits beneath us. 1511 sits across from us. In four years I've never seen this change and I'd hate for some sort of assigned seating change it. That said, as long as it was reserved seating like airplanes are, it could work. |
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Personally, I like the idea of giving each team a reserved section for 12 members. Thats 2 people per robot and really not many teams go more than that. These seats get the best positions relative to the field.
I've rushed into the arena before, and my real concern is just getting a prime location for our scouts. If the rest of the team isnt as close as possible, or if we're a little spread out, it really isnt the end of the world. The priority is making sure our scouting can be successful, and that is a big priority. If the cheer-ers, parents, spectators, or whatever you want to call the not-directly-contributing members of the team cant see which discs go into the red top slot clearly, I (and they) wont care so much. I know getting there really early is not fun, but there really should be a way to prevent the initial mad run. And if a team is there a little later, they shouldnt not be unable to scout because 3 teams of 50 people took up all of the seats in the front rows. Are those the only spots scouting is possible from? No, not at all, but it just doesnt seem right. I have respect for waking up a 5 am, but still, every team should have a good chance to succeed at scouting, I mean, getting those people to watch a hundred match is hard enough as it is! ![]() Last edited by dellagd : 05-05-2013 at 01:50. |
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They always exclaim what good fortune it is that the seats at the bottom of the stands are readily available and gleefully sit there. Then they realizes that everyone crowds around the field and learn to sit up higher like everyone else.
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