Who is the highest possible scoring alliance out there?

[Jay O'Donnell]

Hey CD,
I was doing the math today about possible alliances at IRI that could (and probably will) break the record for most points scored in a match. The highest score I could get (assuming no defense, penalties, or other robots) was 331. For the purposes of this thread, let's assume it is 3v0, and that every shot is made. Here's how I see it...
The alliance is 1114, 67, and 469. 469 Pulls off a 7 disc auton, and 67 and 1114 both put in 18 points. In teleop, 469 pulls off 7 cycles (which they have done at MSC and maybe champs) including scoring the other remaining 6 discs on the floor. 1114 pulls off a few cycles and then goes to climb, with 3 colored discs with them. 67 perfectly shoots any remaining discs via FCS and then goes to also climb with three colored discs. Both 67 and 1114 get 45 point climbs, and 469 hangs for 10.

Point breakdown:
Auton: 13 discs scored for 78 points
Teleop: all 45 feeder station discs and the 6 remaining floor discs are scored for 153 points
Endgame: two 45 point climbs plus a 10 point hang result in 100 points
Total: 331 Points

I know this is with no defense, failures, missed discs, etc. but is this something that can actually be achieved at IRI? and is there an alliance out there that could (theoretically) top this (theoretical) score?

[joelg236]

Originally Posted by Jay Money 1058

The alliance is 1114, 67, and 469.

Oh how much I would pay to see this.

[Boe]

The only way change to that alliance i would make to max scoring potential would be to swap 469 for 254, that keeps the 7 disc and sweeping ability while adding 20 more climb points. 254 would sweep misses and 67 would shoot all the white discs 1114 doesnt shoot.

[BrendanB]

Originally Posted by Boe

The only way change to that alliance i would make to max scoring potential would be to swap 469 for 254, that keeps the 7 disc and sweeping ability while adding 20 more climb points. 254 would sweep misses and 67 would shoot all the white discs 1114 doesnt shoot.

You could probably get a higher potential score with 67 FCS, 1114 doing 2-3 cycles, and 254 sweeping the field (but if 67 is on fire) 254 can sweep the other side of the field and steal missed shots from the other side of the field.

I think it is possible to see the high score broken but how we may never know!

[IKE]

1986, 254, 1114

7+5+3 disc auton=90 points in auton
all 45 discs 4 disc on the floor + 2 colored discs=51*3=153 pts.
2 30 pt. climbs and a 50 point climb=110 pts.

90+153+110= 353 pts...

[Pault]

Originally Posted by IKE

1986, 254, 1114

7+5+3 disc auton=90 points in auton
all 45 discs 4 disc on the floor + 2 colored discs=51*3=153 pts.
2 30 pt. climbs and a 50 point climb=110 pts.

90+153+110= 353 pts...

Gotta be careful there, you have 2 inside climbers. I'm pretty sure this wouldn't work.

Hopefully we will find out in 2 months.

[Richard Wallace]

Originally Posted by joelg236

Oh how much I would pay to see this.

You might get to see it for free!

Originally Posted by Pault

Gotta be careful there, you have 2 inside climbers. I'm pretty sure this wouldn't work.

Hopefully we will find out in 2 months.

Except that Titanium won't be at IRI.

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The two scenarios above have a common theme: the match ends with NOTHING left to shoot. Yes, I think we will see that at IRI, maybe more than once.

[themccannman]

Originally Posted by Richard Wallace

You might get to see it for free!

Except that Titanium won't be at IRI.

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The two scenarios above have a common theme: the match ends with NOTHING left to shoot. Yes, I think we will see that at IRI, maybe more than once.

I'm sure that will happen multiple times, in fact I would expect most of the elimination matches to end with no discs in the feeder station and no discs on the floor. I'm pretty sure that's how most of the Enstien matches ended and I'd expect better from IRI.

I think almost any alliance made of top tier teams could shoot every disk on the field. I think the highest score possible could be achieved by any alliance that one FCS, two 50 point cimb and dumpers, and a ground pick up with a 30 point internal climb. 67 1114 and 254 could definitely pull this off.

[nikeairmancurry]

Originally Posted by IKE

1986, 254, 1114

7+5+3 disc auton=90 points in auton
all 45 discs 4 disc on the floor + 2 colored discs=51*3=153 pts.
2 30 pt. climbs and a 50 point climb=110 pts.

90+153+110= 353 pts...

This but drop 1986 to a 20pt hang... 343pts

[Headphones]

Originally Posted by nikeairmancurry

This but drop 1986 to a 20pt hang... 343pts

If you're going to drop Titanium to a 20 pt. hang, you might as well replace them with 1806, S.W.A.T. They have an exterior 20 point climb and dump, as well as excellent full court shooting.

This does limit you to a three disk autonomous, but you get a net gain of four points due to the additional two dumped Frisbees.

[lemiant]

It is perhaps easiest to start from the maximum points and count potential points missed.
Theoretical maximum is:
- 90 Auto (3 disc + 5 disc wing + 7 disc)
- 165 Teleop Disc (45 white in the 3pt = 135 + 6 coloured discs in the pyramid)
- 90 Climb Points (3 30 point climbs)
= 345 points

There are a number of classes of robots which may be used towards this goal.
Cycle + outside climb and dump - While 67 & 1114 are the two best known, there are others. For example 1334, our alliance partner from Western Canada. 1918 also fits here with their demonstrated capabilities (since using their 5 disc auto just gets in the way of someone else's 7 disc auto)

Cycle + 7 disc + inside climb - The only two I know of are 254 and 1986.

These can be used in three configurations:
1. Use both the autos to get a full auto, but lose 10 climb points because one of the inside climbers can only climb to 20 and lose 4 disc points by using two colored discs in the 3pt goal.
= 345 - 14 =331

2. Use two 30 pt climbers and one floor pickup auto. Get full climb and full disc, but lose 6 points to scoring the last two auto discs in teleop.
= 345 - 6 =339

So that gives us 2 of (1114/67/1334/1918/??) and 1 of (254/1986) for 339 as max. The only hope to get those last 6 points is if some little known team with a floor pickup and external climb+dump gets a 7 disc auto working or (less likely) one of the big name floor pickups adds an climb+dump.

With all that said if I had to pick an ideal alliance I would (meaning best in the real world not ideal conditions) I'd be more inclined to pick (2056/469) + 1114 + (254/1986).

...or maybe just three cyclers.

[Jash_J]

Originally Posted by lemiant

There are a number of classes of robots which may be used towards this goal.
Cycle + outside climb and dump - While 67 & 1114 are the two best known, there are others. For example 1305, our alliance partner from Western Canada. 1918 also fits here with their demonstrated capabilities (since using their 5 disc auto just gets in the way of someone else's 7 disc auto)

Are you referring to 1334 instead of 1305? I don't recall 1305 having an outside climb and dump but 1334 certainly did and they were pretty amazing at it too.

Originally Posted by lemiant

...or maybe just three cyclers.

Haha three cyclers for sure but in this scenario the more 10+ hangers that can cycle as well the better!

[lemiant]

Originally Posted by Jash_J

Are you referring to 1334 instead of 1305? I don't recall 1305 having an outside climb and dump but 1334 certainly did and they were pretty amazing at it too.

Yes. That's pretty embarassing on my part.

[nikeairmancurry]

Originally Posted by Headphones

If you're going to drop Titanium to a 20 pt. hang, you might as well replace them with 1806, S.W.A.T. They have an exterior 20 point climb and dump, as well as excellent full court shooting.

This does limit you to a three disk autonomous, but you get a net gain of four points due to the additional two dumped Frisbees.

Two colored discs = 10 points

Two auton shots = 12 points

Net loss of 2 points with 1806

[rwkling1]

I would say team 67, 1114, and 1986. each have 30 pt climbers, 67 can get 4 colored frisbees in the top goal, 1114 can get the other 2, 1986 has a 30 pt climb, and they're all awesome scorers, with a 13 disc auto.