Who is the highest possible scoring alliance out there?

[qzrrbz]

Originally Posted by rwkling1

I would say team 67, 1114, and 1986. each have 30 pt climbers, 67 can get 4 colored frisbees in the top goal, 1114 can get the other 2, 1986 has a 30 pt climb, and they're all awesome scorers, with a 13 disc auto.

A question of "did it happen this year?" 6 colored discs in the 5 pt goal -- ever?

Seems like there isn't enough room for them!

[Kevin Leonard]

Originally Posted by qzrrbz

A question of "did it happen this year?" 6 colored discs in the 5 pt goal -- ever?

Seems like there isn't enough room for them!

It did. At WPI, 558 put 6 discs in the pyramid goal. However not by climbing/dumping, but by shooting pyramid discs.

[Boe]

Alliance 254, 67, 1114

Auton
254-7 discs =42 points
67-3 discs =18 points
1114-3 discs =18 points

Telop (assuming 3v0)
254 gets 4 discs on other side plus the 11? discs in the middle while also getting 67/1114s misses =45 points
67 fcs all the shots 1114 doesnt take
1114 makes a few cycles =135 points

climbs
254 =30 points
67 30 climb 20 dumb =50 points
1114 30 climb ten dumb =40 points

grand total of 378

[Jay O'Donnell]

Originally Posted by Boe

Alliance 254, 67, 1114

Auton
254-7 discs =42 points
67-3 discs =18 points
1114-3 discs =18 points

Telop (assuming 3v0)
254 gets 4 discs on other side plus the 11? discs in the middle while also getting 67/1114s misses =45 points
67 fcs all the shots 1114 doesnt take
1114 makes a few cycles =135 points

climbs
254 =30 points
67 30 climb 20 dumb =50 points
1114 30 climb ten dumb =40 points

grand total of 378

While I did say to think of it as 3v0, I was also considering the field to be like a normal match of superstars, where there is usually only two discs in the center. That being said, this score is still 351 without those extra 9 discs in the center, which is higher than my original 331 thanks to an extra 20 hang points from 254 (which I know was said earlier in the thread). Oh how I hope this alliance happens at IRI!

[gabrielau23]

Originally Posted by Thunder910

It did. At WPI, 558 put 6 discs in the pyramid goal. However not by climbing/dumping, but by shooting pyramid discs.

SHOOTING them? That's insane.

[M. Lillis]

Originally Posted by gabrielau23

SHOOTING them? That's insane.

Here is the video that you want. I don't know if it's actually in the video, but they are all in the blue pyramid. 558's main strategy for WPI was shoot all 6 colored discs and then 2 white discs, then hang. It worked really well for this match (and a few others, where they would get 3 or 4 colored discs in).

[Kevin Leonard]

Originally Posted by M. Lillis

Here is the video that you want. I don't know if it's actually in the video, but they are all in the blue pyramid. 558's main strategy for WPI was shoot all 6 colored discs and then 2 white discs, then hang. It worked really well for this match (and a few others, where they would get 3 or 4 colored discs in).

Do you mean shooting pyramid goals is insane, or that getting 6 in that way is insane?
A number of teams could shoot pyramid goals, including 51, 639, us(20), and others (I just know the ones from our champs division.)

I don't know if there were 6 pyramid discs at any other point. Did 67 and 1918 do it in their division eliminations maybe? ANyone know?

[CamdenK]

Well in theory if the opposing team were to drop every single disk onto the floor and not make a single point while at the same time letting the god team ground pickup and score every disk, that'd double the possible points in teleop.

[M. Lillis]

Originally Posted by Thunder910

Do you mean shooting pyramid goals is insane, or that getting 6 in that way is insane?
A number of teams could shoot pyramid goals, including 51, 639, us(20), and others (I just know the ones from our champs division.)

I don't know if there were 6 pyramid discs at any other point. Did 67 and 1918 do it in their division eliminations maybe? ANyone know?

Aren't those the same thing? And shooting them all in and having them stay in is insane. Dumping isn't as insane because it is more reliable (when compared to shooting them). I saw 67 climb and dump, but they experienced problems all during elims. There is a different thread about that.

[Nemo]

How about the highest likely score in a real match?

Assuming you're going to achieve maximum autonomous scoring and let a FCS shoot all of your 45 white + 6 colored discs, then you have three ways to get additional points: 1) climb higher than 10, 2) pyramid shots, 3) pick up opponents' dropped discs.

1) FCS that also climbs and dumps (either 67, 148, or 1806)
2) Floor pickup bot (7 disc auto + climb)
3) Floor pickup bot (center 5 disc auto + climb)

I'd choose 148 as the FCS (tall, reliable climb, accurate FCS, harder to defend than 67 and 1806)

Remember that floor pickup is pretty crucial for the other two bots, because your FCS is going to shoot most of the discs. I want both of those robots to be capable of quickly picking up missed discs from both alliances. I'd take 2056 and 469, because their auto and floor pickup are the best. Even though you don't get the extra climbing points, I think that team could score every last one of their own discs plus a few more discs from the opponents.

This alliance could realistically score 300+ points in an actual match against good teams. You'd only need help from three circumstances, none of which is crazy: 1) No tall blocker to mess with 148, 2) 148 makes it to the feeder slot early enough to drain the disc supply, 3) no opposing center auto to mess with 469.

[nicholsjj]

One thing I do not believe that we are taking into account is that the 3pt goal is limited in holding the disks. Watching the elimination rounds and Einstein I do not believe the 3 pt goal can hold enough disks for 300 pts, but anything is possible at IRI.

[Richard Wallace]

Originally Posted by nicholsjj

One thing I do not believe that we are taking into account is that the 3pt goal is limited in holding the disks. Watching the elimination rounds and Einstein I do not believe the 3 pt goal can hold enough disks for 300 pts, but anything is possible at IRI.

From where I stood on Archimedes during some high-scoring matches, it appears to me that the goals will hold enough discs. 65 in the center should be enough. The discs will start to interfere with chains, and some will protrude a bit, and of course counting them by hand after the match will be lots of fun.

The IRI is extremely rich in volunteer talent. They will find ways to make the field take everything that teams can throw at it.

[gabrielau23]

Originally Posted by Thunder910

Do you mean shooting pyramid goals is insane, or that getting 6 in that way is insane?
A number of teams could shoot pyramid goals, including 51, 639, us(20), and others (I just know the ones from our champs division.)

I don't know if there were 6 pyramid discs at any other point. Did 67 and 1918 do it in their division eliminations maybe? ANyone know?

At first I meant by "shooting" them. Because it's difficult (at least for our team, even with a pretty reliable (very) shooter) to make the frisbee hit the chains at a low enough velocity yet stay in the pyramid goal. Then I realized having all 6 discs stay in would be pretty crazy too.

[gabrielau23]

First, is there a live stream for IRI?
Second, it'd be really cool (for me, a viewer) if one alliance managed to shoot so many discs that the discs literally started falling out of the goals. That'd be awesome.

[Kevin Leonard]

Originally Posted by gabrielau23

At first I meant by "shooting" them. Because it's difficult (at least for our team, even with a pretty reliable (very) shooter) to make the frisbee hit the chains at a low enough velocity yet stay in the pyramid goal. Then I realized having all 6 discs stay in would be pretty crazy too.

If you watch the way 558 did it in the video posted by our friend from 177 earlier, its not like they're shooting from far away, they're right up against the pyramid.


Likewise, we only did it in one match when we were being defended hard (as it takes longer to line up than our 3-point shots).
This is match 68 (when it was replayed due to comm issues, but that's another issue altogether):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ju1V4PVYDw&t=108s

We are only able to hold 3 discs in our robot in the "up" position, that's why we only shot three discs, but they all went in. It's very similar to 558's method, except we could ground load the discs if we wanted to.

Anyway, enough about shooting pyramid discs, that's not what this thread is about.

Highest possible scoring alliance: 1986, 254, 1114
Unless there's an outside climbing 7-disc or centerline auto i don't know about, this is as good as it gets.
In theory, all alliance station white discs, 2-30 pt climbs, a 20 pt climb, 20 points in the pyramid goal, 90 pts in auto.
I'm pretty sure this combo has already been said, so I won't re-iterate the numbers. You could easily replace 1114 with 67 and get the same number, but I personally think 1114 would do a better job.