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Re: Shifting while not going straight

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For logomotion, my team had a shifting and braking mecanum drivetrain. We used AM Supershifters with 1 cim on each wheel, and went for the pneumatic option to shift. I don't remember having any issues with shifting while the robot was rotating or doing anything else. The lower gear was mostly used for fine control while hanging game pieces. A student on our team also made brake pads for each wheel out of extra mecanum wheel plates, which immobilized the rollers to increase traction, and were also engaged by small air cylinders. Lots of pneumatics, but it did what it was supposed to do, and we won a Creativity Award for it.
With regards to the robot Anthony is talking about: We had a lot of problems with shifting while going straight because you only shift on specific point with a DOG shifter. This means that some wheels will shift before others. This isn't an issue with a gyro stabilized drive, but most teams do not have that. With mecanum, shifting can really mess things up for small moments (driving straight + shift could cause a slight rotation, or translation unintentionally). Most drivers won't notice these at high speeds, but in auto its a killer.
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Re: Shifting while not going straight

Why would you shift in auto?
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Re: Shifting while not going straight

We had a shifting Mecanum this year, but it was for PTO purposes instead of two speeds. We played the whole match with the wheels engaged, then went to hang at the end. Once we were lined up under the bar we hit the climb button, which shifted all the wheels into PTO mode. The shaft in the middle of the chassis and the spools powered our climbing mechanism.
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Re: Shifting while not going straight

I had meant to add that I didn't work very closely with the robot when I said I didn't remember any problems shifting. I did remember that all the wheels would shift at slightly different times.
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Re: Shifting while not going straight

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Why would you shift in auto?
We shifted in autonomous because low gear was great for tight, accurate spins while high gear was required to allow us to complete our autonomous in 15 seconds. Also, because of the way the battery was positioned (our intake required a lot of empty space on the right half of the chassis), the robot drifted heavily towards one side when driving in high gear, but not at all in low gear. I have a feeling there was also some unwanted friction on one of the shafts, but I'll have to run a test to check it out. Shifting into low gear for the last 15 inches of a high-gear run gave us a very fast stop without any drifting towards one side.

I was a bit worried that the dogs will be worn out big time by the end of champs, however they held up admiringly, along with the solenoids moving them. While they occasionally broke while practicing at home (I'll have to ask the mechanical guys to see what exactly broke), it was never more than just one dog shifting a split second later than usual. Other than that, the shifting occurred almost simultaneously on both sides. When it didn't, I had some code written that automatically spun the robot to the original bearing that it was at before it shifted.

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