Who is the highest possible scoring alliance out there?

[nikeairmancurry]

Originally Posted by IKE

1986, 254, 1114

7+5+3 disc auton=90 points in auton
all 45 discs 4 disc on the floor + 2 colored discs=51*3=153 pts.
2 30 pt. climbs and a 50 point climb=110 pts.

90+153+110= 353 pts...

This but drop 1986 to a 20pt hang... 343pts

[Kevin Leonard]

Originally Posted by M. Lillis

Here is the video that you want. I don't know if it's actually in the video, but they are all in the blue pyramid. 558's main strategy for WPI was shoot all 6 colored discs and then 2 white discs, then hang. It worked really well for this match (and a few others, where they would get 3 or 4 colored discs in).

Do you mean shooting pyramid goals is insane, or that getting 6 in that way is insane?
A number of teams could shoot pyramid goals, including 51, 639, us(20), and others (I just know the ones from our champs division.)

I don't know if there were 6 pyramid discs at any other point. Did 67 and 1918 do it in their division eliminations maybe? ANyone know?

[CamdenK]

Well in theory if the opposing team were to drop every single disk onto the floor and not make a single point while at the same time letting the god team ground pickup and score every disk, that'd double the possible points in teleop.

[M. Lillis]

Originally Posted by Thunder910

Do you mean shooting pyramid goals is insane, or that getting 6 in that way is insane?
A number of teams could shoot pyramid goals, including 51, 639, us(20), and others (I just know the ones from our champs division.)

I don't know if there were 6 pyramid discs at any other point. Did 67 and 1918 do it in their division eliminations maybe? ANyone know?

Aren't those the same thing? And shooting them all in and having them stay in is insane. Dumping isn't as insane because it is more reliable (when compared to shooting them). I saw 67 climb and dump, but they experienced problems all during elims. There is a different thread about that.

[Nemo]

How about the highest likely score in a real match?

Assuming you're going to achieve maximum autonomous scoring and let a FCS shoot all of your 45 white + 6 colored discs, then you have three ways to get additional points: 1) climb higher than 10, 2) pyramid shots, 3) pick up opponents' dropped discs.

1) FCS that also climbs and dumps (either 67, 148, or 1806)
2) Floor pickup bot (7 disc auto + climb)
3) Floor pickup bot (center 5 disc auto + climb)

I'd choose 148 as the FCS (tall, reliable climb, accurate FCS, harder to defend than 67 and 1806)

Remember that floor pickup is pretty crucial for the other two bots, because your FCS is going to shoot most of the discs. I want both of those robots to be capable of quickly picking up missed discs from both alliances. I'd take 2056 and 469, because their auto and floor pickup are the best. Even though you don't get the extra climbing points, I think that team could score every last one of their own discs plus a few more discs from the opponents.

This alliance could realistically score 300+ points in an actual match against good teams. You'd only need help from three circumstances, none of which is crazy: 1) No tall blocker to mess with 148, 2) 148 makes it to the feeder slot early enough to drain the disc supply, 3) no opposing center auto to mess with 469.

[nicholsjj]

One thing I do not believe that we are taking into account is that the 3pt goal is limited in holding the disks. Watching the elimination rounds and Einstein I do not believe the 3 pt goal can hold enough disks for 300 pts, but anything is possible at IRI.

[Richard Wallace]

Originally Posted by nicholsjj

One thing I do not believe that we are taking into account is that the 3pt goal is limited in holding the disks. Watching the elimination rounds and Einstein I do not believe the 3 pt goal can hold enough disks for 300 pts, but anything is possible at IRI.

From where I stood on Archimedes during some high-scoring matches, it appears to me that the goals will hold enough discs. 65 in the center should be enough. The discs will start to interfere with chains, and some will protrude a bit, and of course counting them by hand after the match will be lots of fun.

The IRI is extremely rich in volunteer talent. They will find ways to make the field take everything that teams can throw at it.

[gabrielau23]

Originally Posted by Thunder910

Do you mean shooting pyramid goals is insane, or that getting 6 in that way is insane?
A number of teams could shoot pyramid goals, including 51, 639, us(20), and others (I just know the ones from our champs division.)

I don't know if there were 6 pyramid discs at any other point. Did 67 and 1918 do it in their division eliminations maybe? ANyone know?

At first I meant by "shooting" them. Because it's difficult (at least for our team, even with a pretty reliable (very) shooter) to make the frisbee hit the chains at a low enough velocity yet stay in the pyramid goal. Then I realized having all 6 discs stay in would be pretty crazy too.

[gabrielau23]

First, is there a live stream for IRI?
Second, it'd be really cool (for me, a viewer) if one alliance managed to shoot so many discs that the discs literally started falling out of the goals. That'd be awesome.

[Kevin Leonard]

Originally Posted by gabrielau23

At first I meant by "shooting" them. Because it's difficult (at least for our team, even with a pretty reliable (very) shooter) to make the frisbee hit the chains at a low enough velocity yet stay in the pyramid goal. Then I realized having all 6 discs stay in would be pretty crazy too.

If you watch the way 558 did it in the video posted by our friend from 177 earlier, its not like they're shooting from far away, they're right up against the pyramid.


Likewise, we only did it in one match when we were being defended hard (as it takes longer to line up than our 3-point shots).
This is match 68 (when it was replayed due to comm issues, but that's another issue altogether):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ju1V4PVYDw&t=108s

We are only able to hold 3 discs in our robot in the "up" position, that's why we only shot three discs, but they all went in. It's very similar to 558's method, except we could ground load the discs if we wanted to.

Anyway, enough about shooting pyramid discs, that's not what this thread is about.

Highest possible scoring alliance: 1986, 254, 1114
Unless there's an outside climbing 7-disc or centerline auto i don't know about, this is as good as it gets.
In theory, all alliance station white discs, 2-30 pt climbs, a 20 pt climb, 20 points in the pyramid goal, 90 pts in auto.
I'm pretty sure this combo has already been said, so I won't re-iterate the numbers. You could easily replace 1114 with 67 and get the same number, but I personally think 1114 would do a better job.

[themccannman]

Originally Posted by Thunder910

Highest possible scoring alliance: 1986, 254, 1114
Unless there's an outside climbing 7-disc or centerline auto i don't know about, this is as good as it gets.
In theory, all alliance station white discs, 2-30 pt climbs, a 20 pt climb, 20 points in the pyramid goal, 90 pts in auto.
I'm pretty sure this combo has already been said, so I won't re-iterate the numbers. You could easily replace 1114 with 67 and get the same number, but I personally think 1114 would do a better job.

Or replace 1986 with 67 and you now you can pretty much guarantee 135 disc points, you add 10 climb points, and another 10 points for two more colored discs. The only way you could possibly score more points is the additional two centerline discs during autonomous. Higher scoring and more likely to happen.

[Kevin Leonard]

Originally Posted by themccannman

Or replace 1986 with 67 and you now you can pretty much guarantee 135 disc points, you add 10 climb points, and another 10 points for two more colored discs. The only way you could possibly score more points is the additional two centerline discs during autonomous. Higher scoring and more likely to happen.

True. I was mentally valuing the Centerline auto more than the extra climb and dump points. That's -12, but +20.
Now if by IRI, some ground pickup attains an outside 30-pt climb (and potentially dump), then they would replace 67 here, as they could have either a 7-disc or centerline auto. (I guarantee it's NOT gonna be 20! )

I think that ground pickup might be 469, but who knows (I've only heard rumors- but the idea of 469 with a climber is slightly scary!)

[Kevin Leonard]

GOT IT- Alliance of 1986-67-1918

13-15 discs in auto (if 1918 got a 7-disc working, it would be 15)-78-90 pts
All alliance teleop frisbees: 135 pts-141 pts
3 30 pt climbs: 90 pts
Two pyramid dumps for a total of 6 colored discs: 30 pts
TOTAL:
339-345 points
The six point spread is factoring in whether 1918 gets the front-of-the-pyramid discs in auto or one of the two floor pickups gets them in teleop, resulting in a six point difference between the two.

You could replace 67 with 1114 if you wanted to as well, but with 1918 blocking, I think 67 would work better (like in their elims matches!).

The key here is that 1918 is a floor pickup with an outside climb- the only one I know of in the world.

[Headphones]

Originally Posted by nikeairmancurry

This but drop 1986 to a 20pt hang... 343pts

If you're going to drop Titanium to a 20 pt. hang, you might as well replace them with 1806, S.W.A.T. They have an exterior 20 point climb and dump, as well as excellent full court shooting.

This does limit you to a three disk autonomous, but you get a net gain of four points due to the additional two dumped Frisbees.

[lemiant]

It is perhaps easiest to start from the maximum points and count potential points missed.
Theoretical maximum is:
- 90 Auto (3 disc + 5 disc wing + 7 disc)
- 165 Teleop Disc (45 white in the 3pt = 135 + 6 coloured discs in the pyramid)
- 90 Climb Points (3 30 point climbs)
= 345 points

There are a number of classes of robots which may be used towards this goal.
Cycle + outside climb and dump - While 67 & 1114 are the two best known, there are others. For example 1334, our alliance partner from Western Canada. 1918 also fits here with their demonstrated capabilities (since using their 5 disc auto just gets in the way of someone else's 7 disc auto)

Cycle + 7 disc + inside climb - The only two I know of are 254 and 1986.

These can be used in three configurations:
1. Use both the autos to get a full auto, but lose 10 climb points because one of the inside climbers can only climb to 20 and lose 4 disc points by using two colored discs in the 3pt goal.
= 345 - 14 =331

2. Use two 30 pt climbers and one floor pickup auto. Get full climb and full disc, but lose 6 points to scoring the last two auto discs in teleop.
= 345 - 6 =339

So that gives us 2 of (1114/67/1334/1918/??) and 1 of (254/1986) for 339 as max. The only hope to get those last 6 points is if some little known team with a floor pickup and external climb+dump gets a 7 disc auto working or (less likely) one of the big name floor pickups adds an climb+dump.

With all that said if I had to pick an ideal alliance I would (meaning best in the real world not ideal conditions) I'd be more inclined to pick (2056/469) + 1114 + (254/1986).

...or maybe just three cyclers.