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I'm quite aware. I've been on both the drive team and a drive coach as well. This happened in 2011 so the details are a bit fuzzy now. There might have been profanity, which I know would set me off. Again, I don't remember what was said, just that it was what was said, not the volume that it was said at. And I know that both the students on my team as well as the other team were were very upset. |
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These situations do happen. Its comical what happens when you put humans in a high stress environments and see the result. As I said earlier, these interactions aren't age specific. To say that a student in that situation wouldn't have exploded both in temper and language is absurd. It comes down to the personality of the individual. I have personally seen a tendency of students behind the glass to have a large amount of profanity while driving from both coaches and drivers. No one should be on the drive team if they can't hold their composure in high stress situations and still represent their teams. There isn't a blanket rule FIRST can make that will fix this. This comes down to team's decisions on who should be on the drive team and why. |
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Don't get me wrong, I expect a certain level of professionalism, but I know that coaching in high intensity situations may not bring out the best in people. As such, when all hell breaks lose and control was "so 2 seconds ago", sometimes, yelling (even a little profanity) provides a temporary, mental release. Once again, don't get me wrong. Personally, I've been on the receiving end of the raging coaches. Coaches who will fling blame and hellfire at my students. That I will not stand for. But, it's a competition, and as such, I expect it to get a little dirty. Quote:
Anyways, I suppose this specific topic is really "whatever works for your team" deal. I've known teams that have drive team rotations so that many people get to take the bot for a spin. - Sunny G. |
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Being on the drive team is all fun and games, until someone on one's own team takes it upon themselves to yell at the drivers.* *It's actually not always fun and games; lot's of mind-numbingly repetitive practice. |
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I've been seeing a few posts commenting on adult drive coaches lining up the robot before a match. I do see this as well sometimes, but one thing that is easy to miss from the stands is a student standing far back and making sure the robot is lined up, and instructing the mentor in what needs to be changed to line up properly. Many times this is the easiest way to see if the robot is misaligned.
Sometimes the mentor may physically line up the robot, but have no idea where it's supposed to go. |
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In terms of pure on-field numbers, if you compare the last 5 years to the first 9 years, the results speak for themselves. Our adult coach has been able to get the most out of the drive team and mentor them in a way that students could not. That being said, every team must do what matches the personality of their organization. Our results have proven that BOTH approaches can and will work given the appropriate effort. |
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FIRST itself readily uses the comparison to sports. It models its competition and program on the sports model, and its what separates FRC from science fairs and other STEM programs. It's the immediate analogy that is drawn by any common spectactor, parent or otherwise. It's a universal model that needs little explanation, save for where FRC intentionally differs. There's no surprise that coaches who aren't "on the sideline" is a matter of curiosity and contention among parents. |
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Regarding FIRST dictating how we run our teams... no thank you. If your parents want a team run a certain way that's your team's call. If your parents want my team run a certain way they can come complain to me. Of course, I'll be sure to remind them that they probably enjoy very different toppings on their pizza than I do and then ask them why that might be.* * Answer - Because we are all different people. We are all different teams and our students come from different backgrounds. |
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For myself, I believe Frank's justification is very strong, between the survey and the blog post. Al, thanks. I'd heard tell of this, but I didn't know the crossover year. 2009, wow--yeah, those results say more than I ever could! |
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Where can I find the results of this survey which is being discussed?
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The standard end to this kind of "student built/coached/whatever vs. mentor built" argument is that people agree that not all things may work for all teams. They also agree to continue to allow each team to go about things in their own way. While this is a fine solution, I hope that people understand that it doesn't solve the problem in a way that everyone benefits from.
In this case, the gist of the disagreement seems to be this. Some teams (including slightly more young teams) would like only students to be allowed to coach. Other teams (including a high percentage of teams with over 16 years of experience, teams like the one I am on) would like both students and mentors to be able to act as drive coaches. No one, I believe, is arguing that only mentors should be allowed to be coaches. While allowing both students and mentors to coach is a solution, it doesn't satisfy those on the other side of the issue. The people who don't want mentors to be able to coach seem to have had bad experiences with a few teams who have mentors as coaches. They have a real (and I believe, legitimate) argument that it's not in the best interest of FRC to allow any mentors to continue coaching. The end that these people desire isn't to allow students to coach, but to keep mentors from coaching on any team. Please don't read into this that I support one side or another. I'm perfectly fine with having mentors coach, but I wouldn't argue if Manchester decided to stop the practice next year. I personally coached my team this year on the field, and can't say I had a particularly good or bad experience with mentor coaches. I simply believe that the agreement people seem to have reached doesn't satisfy everyone, and we shouldn't suppose that it does. Last edited by DampRobot : 19-06-2013 at 01:57. |
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I'd like to go back to the disrespect issue, since I spent my time at competition this year working on scouting and preparing match strategies. While this is not universally true, many teams with extensive scouting programs also have adult drive coaches. When my team looks at an upcoming match, we look at the capabilities of every robot on the field and decide what actions the robots on our alliance should take to most easily win the match. We put a LOT of thinking into these strategies, so by the time we're talking to alliance partners, we're confident that they're the best way to play the match. Sometimes teams don't agree with our strategies, and we ultimately will never force a team to do something they don't want to, but we'll present our strategies and argue for them because we're confident that they'll lead us to victory. I hope that doesn't come off as arrogant of disrespectful.
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