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Originally posted by SuperDanman
Dood, how about you think before you open your mouth in the future.

First and foremost, especially on a FIRST messageboard, disrespectful is a mild word for what you're doing right now.

The Colombia tragedy isn't only about the lives lost. The space shuttle program represents the culmination of the most advanced space travel technology in existence today (even the Russian Soyuz crafts are nowhere as reusable as the space shuttle). It also represents the culmination of countless manhours and cooperation between humans - it's just a taste of what can happen if we try. The tragedy comes from the fact that all of these achievements have been just shown to be imperfect.

The Colombia disaster isn't only about the human deaths. It's about the psychological impacts. With your AIDs argument - yeah, people die of AIDs every day, but how many of those people represent the future of humanity, the future of exploration, the culmination of some of the most advanced technology available, and an example of what the human race is capable of if we just work together. How many people who die die representing those virtues?

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However, if you don't care about the human race and just want a specific example of how this is a "blow to the entire scientific community," look no further than the IIS.

Currently, there are only two crafts capable of transporting humans to the International Space Station: the Russian Soyuz crafts (which aren't too reusable), and the American Space Shuttles. The Russians are in financial trouble and have implied they would be forced to withdraw from the IIS program if they can't secure funds to continue the production of their Soyez vehicles. That has put a lot of the responsibility of continuing the IIS program in American hands. When the Challenger blew up, the entire Space Shuttle fleet was grounded for over two years until the cause was determined and upgrades were made. If the Space Shuttle fleet becomes grounded now, what happens to the IIS?

You mentioned the SSTO and implicitly hinted to the Lockheed Martin X-10 (exact letters?). Honestly - how long does it take to fully design and construct a completely new, working spacecraft. You're not going to see a mission-ready model for at least five, six years - it'll probably be close to a decade. What happens to the IIS in that timeframe?

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FAKrogoth, if you want to continue this, pm me or AIM me (PhyrosFire) - I'd be glad to debate this further - but please, just keep your opinions out of the wrong threads before you make them locked. Sometimes people need to express their sadness. You must respect that if you want people to treat you with respect.
Alrighty, then. I see that my friend here needs a little backup as he is the only sane thinker here besides the people who choose to abstain from the argument.
Lists always seem to be the best for these types of scenerios.
1) The man was obviously thinking before he typed for his argument was well articulated, which is mroe than what I can say for you.
2) Claiming someone to be disrespectful without a sound basis for this accusation is quite a hefty piece of circular logic you use. Not praising the dead people doesn't mean disrespect--nor does putting thier death in proper proportion on the grans scheme of things. They're dead. We understand already. No reason to go running around saying that they were the best people to walk the Earth, and that we should SO remember thier tragic end.
3) You're next coherent paragraph has no useful information. Stop wasting our time.
4) I would certainly hope that today's pinnacle of human technology is still where it was when the last episodes of the original Star Trek was made. There are far more advanced space craft out there, that can lauch a sattilite for a much cheaper cost--but, as yo said they aren't so reusable. Many other spacecraft are on there way to fruition are leagues past those flying fossils that we still use. And I'm sorrry your idealistic view of the universe was shattered when 7 was added to the countless nomber of people dead and 1 was added to the other countless numer of accidents in human history. Trust me, in twenty years, you'll have a hard time remembering the name of the second space shuttle to go boom.
5) The last week of a person's life is rarely encompassing of thier life as a whole. Trying to say that these people are more important than a third of the continent of Africa is ludicrous. I'm sure our economy and fat wallets have benefited much more from the good people at Nike Corporation. And I'm sure we can find many of those people that dies hoding their people's mora majority ideals.
6) Okay, you got a good point in the second paragraph on the second seciton there, but that first paragraph: WHY SHOULD WE COMMEMORATE THE SETBACK OF OUR SPACE PROGRAM? As FAK said--lament, don't mourn.
7) For the record, it's ISS, not IIS. ANd yes, it'll probably take another two years to finish now.

And I highly disagree with the whole--lest's not argue on the main board. It's called a forum for a reason. If more than two people want to debate the issue, it's a hell of a lot more efficient than starting a PM circular. It's not like you don't have free time to debate this issue if you have enough time to try to brag about your team's memorial service.
Finally, I will make the same staement I've been saying for years (although, this being my first post here, none of you have heard it in the same words). Imagine the world as a pond. As a drop of water hits the pond, it's reprecussions are less and less important the farther you get outside of its impact. Although, for this visual to work, you have to represent the surface of the water for your connections with other people, socially, economically, or geographically. Making a big deal out of something that doesn't affect you makes no sense, nor does misproprtioning how big a deal you make of someting compared to how it affects you.
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