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Re: FRC Blogged-Standard District Point Structure

While this may not be the best system to some people, thank you to the individuals who worked long and hard on this project to bring together so many ideas regarding a standard point system! I can't wait to see where this leads with inter-district play!

I too am confused as to why Rookies are held point wise on the same level as a Chairman's award winning team. I agree there are challenges and hurdles to jump through but considering some rookies bring home 1-2 rookie awards before even considering their robot performance, standing, and elimination results the system does seem uneven. Only time will tell, let's give it a season and see how it goes.
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Re: FRC Blogged-Standard District Point Structure

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While this may not be the best system to some people, thank you to the individuals who worked long and hard on this project to bring together so many ideas regarding a standard point system! I can't wait to see where this leads with inter-district play!

I too am confused as to why Rookies are held point wise on the same level as a Chairman's award winning team. I agree there are challenges and hurdles to jump through but considering some rookies bring home 1-2 rookie awards before even considering their robot performance, standing, and elimination results the system does seem uneven. Only time will tell, let's give it a season and see how it goes.
Ah, but we have a time machine! It's called...last year's results from Michigan and MAR! All we need is to apply the new system to last year's results and we can see how it might affect things. It won't be perfect but could be close.
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Let's say the team competing Week 7 (365 at Chesapeake, HoF team) won that weekend, would this have taken a MAR slot away?
What I heard (though this doesnt appear to be documented in this post & writeup) is that Legacy & HoF teams don't count towards the number of teams a District can send. Now I don't know exactly what that means (or if it is the final word) in the case that a District HoF team wins an outside regional. Are they considered prequalified and thus don't affect this particular case? or does their win still take away a slot (thus deincentivizing HoF teams to win outside regionals??)

As it is, I know many Legacy & HoF teams decide not to attend their DCMP because it would eat up one of the spots for a cusp team allowed at that event in the current model. Im not sure this new model does anything to change that.
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While this may not be the best system to some people, thank you to the individuals who worked long and hard on this project to bring together so many ideas regarding a standard point system! I can't wait to see where this leads with inter-district play!

I too am confused as to why Rookies are held point wise on the same level as a Chairman's award winning team. I agree there are challenges and hurdles to jump through but considering some rookies bring home 1-2 rookie awards before even considering their robot performance, standing, and elimination results the system does seem uneven. Only time will tell, let's give it a season and see how it goes.
I would imagine the discussion around giving rookie and second year a "bonus" is to give them a little better opportunity to see, smell, taste, feel the "Wow!" factor of FIRST and get to the "Big Dance".
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Re: FRC Blogged-Standard District Point Structure

While I appreciate the motivation of FIRST to inspire rookie teams, I feel that the Rookie awards already in place are sufficient. Making rookie status the equivalent value of points that a Chairman's award carries is sending the wrong message. Rookies need to be inspired, yes, but do they not also need to have a goal to work toward? The biggest fall off of rookie teams is not in year one or two, but in year 3 or 4. Something needs to be done to MAINTAIN teams, not simply bring in new teams that will only dwindle and drop out after all the initial "rookie status" benefits go away.
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Re: FRC Blogged-Standard District Point Structure

I can't say I'm too happy about the point system.

It builds on my opinion that the culture of FIRST has changed drastically over the past 5-10 years. It's less about robots/engineering/competitions, and more about education, spreading the word, and getting more teams involved. While this may get FIRST out to the public, it's making sacrifices to competitive teams.

This means that when you go to your district championship, you're going to have a rookie team, that's gotten lucky, and they have the rookie team bonus of winning an extra five matches, but they can't really play, so they end up on the winning alliance. Then, at championships, you'll have teams who can't really play either. Right now, with the current flawed system (this new one will only be worse), you have about 6 matches per championship division where an alliance scores less than 10 points. That means that there are enough non-scoring teams playing in eliminations, that in 140 matches there are multiple matches where 3 non-scoring teams are put together.

For instance, in 2011, the championship was (in my humble opinion) ruined by the whole will.i.am thing. They sacrificed the fun that some teams would have in order to spread FIRST. Again, in 2013, we had a pathetic 8 matches per team at CMP. Why? So that many teams could come, not to compete and to be the 400 or so most competitive teams there are, but to be inspired.

In pretty much every event, there are a handful of competitive teams that will be playing in elims for sure, and are usually alliance captains. My way of judging the competitiveness of robots at an event is the competitiveness of the last few picks. We're getting to a point where the cmp elims 1st seeded alliance's second pick is a below average robot, and worse than 100's of robots that didn't qualify

It's also possible to build a competitive robot without any engineering at all. Just put together the kitbot, wire together the control system (both of which have detailed manuals), and download an already written piece of software, no understanding of computers required. Bolt a tray on top of the robot, and drive in a straight line to the low goal, hit it, and the discs fly in. Make a passive ten point climber, and you're already in the top 50% for weeks 1, 2, and 3, all without writing a single piece of code, without adding a single motor, and only doing one thing (hanging) in teleop.

It all comes down to the balance of competition vs. spreading FIRST/inspiring new teams. For some people, the engineering/competing/innovation aspect is most important.
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Re: FRC Blogged-Standard District Point Structure

The rookie bonus does not apply to the rankings within an event, so rookies will not advance to eliminations based on this bonus.
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Re: FRC Blogged-Standard District Point Structure

If you have specific issues or questions, please send them to the link in the blog, so that they can be reviewed and addressed.

I will make a few comments that might help.

Every change that was made was modeled to see how it would have impacted previous years results. The FiM database and MAR databases of results are exceptional and helped us significantly.

Just about every comment made in the posts so far was also discussed by the team while we worked through this. The panel was diverse in experience, philosophy, approach to each point. We tried every angle.

While there might be a specific item you don't like or agree with, step back and look at the total system and what it accomplishes.
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Re: FRC Blogged-Standard District Point Structure

This will likely be an unpopular opinion, but I'm ok with a district slot being taken when a team wins at a regional. I'm in Indiana, sitting on the outside of districts, but we're possibly headed for district play in 2015. Here's my reasoning:

The number of bids a district gets to the championship is supposed to be proportional to the number of teams it has within the district. District teams are allowed to play outside their district in a regional. Non-district teams are not permitted to play in a district event. Essentially, the opportunity exists for a district team to "steal" a non-district slot and in the past there was no reciprocal arrangement. This method ensures a more even distribution of teams. Note: teams from districts are still be eligible for the Championship through the waitlist, just like non-district teams. It is practially impossible to create a completely "fair" system, but I feel like this system is more fair than the previous policy.
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Re: FRC Blogged-Standard District Point Structure

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It's also possible to build a competitive robot without any engineering at all. Just put together the kitbot, wire together the control system (both of which have detailed manuals), and download an already written piece of software, no understanding of computers required. Bolt a tray on top of the robot, and drive in a straight line to the low goal, hit it, and the discs fly in. Make a passive ten point climber, and you're already in the top 50% for weeks 1, 2, and 3, all without writing a single piece of code, without adding a single motor, and only doing one thing (hanging) in teleop.
You wrote quite a bit that I know other people will disagree with so I'm just going to focus on what I've quoted from you above.

I am frustrated that you feel the above scenario is a detriment to FIRST and how some teams build their robots. There is nothing wrong with teams with very limited resources doing exactly what you described. In fact, there are many many teams that couldn't score the 14-16 points you mentioned in your scenario. And yet you make it seem like if they followed the plan you outlined they are somehow learning less, and not getting a true appreciation for engineering or getting a positive FIRST experience.

The figuring out the kitbot, control system wiring, and some pre-written code is asking a TON for most rookie teams and even rookie team members of veteran teams. The resources in place to help them hit the ground running are fantastic resources to relive that early burden. If these resources were not in place many teams would be so lost and frustrated early on that many would not make it to their events with a functioning robot and may not even bother trying again the next year.

It's terrible that you feel teams that utilize these resources are not getting a full experience.
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While there might be a specific item you don't like or agree with, step back and look at the total system and what it accomplishes.
It's much easier to criticize something than stand in somebody else's shoes and understand their decisions. Many of the people voicing concerns (myself included) probably do view this as a great step forward. With the number of regions in districts increasing, it was necessary to unify a points system so cross-district play is an option.

Although there are a few things I would have done differently, I'm very excited by this update.
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If you have specific issues or questions, please send them to the link in the blog, so that they can be reviewed and addressed.

I will make a few comments that might help.

Every change that was made was modeled to see how it would have impacted previous years results. The FiM database and MAR databases of results are exceptional and helped us significantly.

Just about every comment made in the posts so far was also discussed by the team while we worked through this. The panel was diverse in experience, philosophy, approach to each point. We tried every angle.

While there might be a specific item you don't like or agree with, step back and look at the total system and what it accomplishes.
I really agree with this. There are a few things I'm not a fan of, but it's really important to look at the big picture. Coming from a team that's been to a ton of competitions, we realize how confusing and difficult it must be for a rookie team to be competitive. There are so many little things to make sure that the team does right (like charging batteries/quick bumper mounts) that rookie teams won't know about.

Some of the points that magnets brings up are true, but FIRST wouldn't really be FIRST if we didn't spread the word and end up with all the awesome sponsors who make everything possible.

I'm excited for districts in 2013!
Does anybody know if the NE districts will be getting the robot access period that FiM and MAR got last year?
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Re: FRC Blogged-Standard District Point Structure

I already posted this to the blog, but wondering if anyone here knows: When are the team age points applied? Each event, after both district events, or at some other time?
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It would be helpful to share the MAR/FiM databases. I ran (an extremely fast) model of MAR from last year here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...0E&usp=sharing

(I know we're gaining more slots this year, but.....)

Team 11 and 2016 would "eat" two of MAR's slots (winner in Palmetto and RCA at Buckeye)

Compared to actual results:
Teams 303, 193, and 293 no longer qualify for World CMP
Rookie team 4460 attends in their place - buoyed by (edit:45) award points at MAR CMP (Entrepreneurship, 10pt rookie).

Seems like it's taking a few step away from what the Michigan point model was designed to encourage (best performing robots earning the most points), at least from what I understood via the excellent EWCP cast with Jim Zondag.

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I'm sorry, but this is about as ridiculous as it gets. My only possible thought is that you were watching Newton this year and didn't understand 1538's reasoning, here are some numbers:
2013 Championships second picks by #1 seeded alliance:
Archimedes: 2959, OPR = 72.3
Curie: 862(I think) OPR = 67.8
Galileo: 4039, OPR = 55.7
Newton: 217, OPR = 23.2

Average 2013 OPR: 17.4
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