Go to Post Maybe FIRST could get a sponsorship from Ikea, and we all could get flat-packed field parts with pictoral assembly instructions. And then all the parts could have funny names. - sanddrag [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > FIRST > General Forum
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
 
 
Thread Tools Rating: Thread Rating: 6 votes, 5.00 average. Display Modes
Prev Previous Post   Next Post Next
  #15   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 24-11-2013, 23:06
Oblarg Oblarg is offline
Registered User
AKA: Eli Barnett
FRC #0449 (The Blair Robot Project)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Rookie Year: 2008
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 1,050
Oblarg has a reputation beyond reputeOblarg has a reputation beyond reputeOblarg has a reputation beyond reputeOblarg has a reputation beyond reputeOblarg has a reputation beyond reputeOblarg has a reputation beyond reputeOblarg has a reputation beyond reputeOblarg has a reputation beyond reputeOblarg has a reputation beyond reputeOblarg has a reputation beyond reputeOblarg has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What materials do you most commonly use on your robots?

Quote:
Originally Posted by MichaelBick View Post
I love using box tubing because we have the machining resources necessary to fabricate with it and it permits us to build extremely light robots, but 8020 can be just as good if you need to build quickly with little resources.
It is not true that you need significant machining resources to do tube framing; 449 has had a very easy time of knocking together gusset plate/tube constructions using pre-machined 80/20 gussets and match-drilling everything. This allows you to clamp everything in its correct configuration before drilling, and allows lots of slop with the actual drilling (if you're careful you can actually get away with doing pretty much the whole thing with a hand drill without any trouble, though a drill press is better).

I've found that the problem with 80/20, in addition to the absurd weight, is that it makes it very easy for people to get into the habit of making things which "sort of fit together" instead of things which actually fit together; the play inherent to the system allows you to nudge things around when you haven't really figured out where everything should be. This is very useful when you're prototyping, but it is the enemy of a good final product. You end up with things that gradually walk out of position and you get lots of silly, avoidable failure modes which shouldn't be there.

One can alleviate these issues to an extent with judicious use of locking hardware/loctite and through-drilling, but I find it more effective at that point, both practically and pedagogically, to simply manufacture the final product out of a better, lighter material. If you stick with 80/20 it takes a fair bit of wherewithal to ensure that all your important dimensions end up fixed and secured, whereas if you switch to manufacturing the final product you are essentially forced to do it right, else you can't construct the thing.

So, it's not really so much that 80/20 can't be used well on a final robot so much as there is a lot of potential for it not to be used well compared to other materials. Also, did I mention it's heavy?
__________________
"Mmmmm, chain grease and aluminum shavings..."
"The breakfast of champions!"

Member, FRC Team 449: 2007-2010
Drive Mechanics Lead, FRC Team 449: 2009-2010
Alumnus/Technical Mentor, FRC Team 449: 2010-Present
Lead Technical Mentor, FRC Team 4464: 2012-2015
Technical Mentor, FRC Team 5830: 2015-2016

Last edited by Oblarg : 24-11-2013 at 23:16.
Reply With Quote
 


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:54.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi