Nothing but Dewalts???

[geomapguy]

Hasn't anyone used http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/papers/1592 lately??

It looks like a relatively easy-to-make two-speed gearbox. And for the price it definitely beats any COTS shifter.

Any thoughts??

[EricH]

The specific transmissions have been close to unobtanium for several years. With AM and VEXPro 2-speeds on the market, there hasn't really been a need for someone to retool the NBDs to currently-available transmissions.

[Richard Wallace]

3620 used a DeWalt transmission to power the floor pickup roller in 2012. Drill parts are not hard to get.

However, several much more convenient alternatives have become available recently. Check out what VEXPro and AndyMark have to offer.

[sanddrag]

Last time we used a Dewalt gearbox was in 2006 and it worked fine (no shifting), but with today's offerings from Banebots, Vex Pro, and AndyMark, I wouldn't even consider it. Oh how times have changed. I still remember the Bosch drills of 2002, and trying to get the darn clutch to not slip, and the Bosch drills of 2003 and 2004, trying to get them to not totally fall apart. We still have the parts from the Dewalts if someone needs them for a specific project.

[AllenGregoryIV]

We haven't used them on Spectrum but I was on 647 when we wrote the paper. This thread has got me thinking, making a VersaPlanetary output to DeWalt adapted could be really useful. One of the main problems with DeWalts is the sun gear has to be modified and pressed on. If you press it on to a VP CIM output shaft, you could replace motors and change up gear ratios easily.

[geomapguy]

Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV

One of the main problems with DeWalts is the sun gear has to be modified and pressed on. If you press it on to a VP CIM output shaft, you could replace motors and change up gear ratios easily.

So adding the second stage (dewalt transmission) to the versa would allow the user to choose the versa ratio and the motor to fine tune their ratio and rpm for their application??

[AllenGregoryIV]

Originally Posted by geomapguy

So adding the second stage (dewalt transmission) to the versa would allow the user to choose the versa ratio and the motor to fine tune their ratio and rpm for their application??

That was the idea, shifting VP. It does limit the output shaft and mounting options.

[geomapguy]

Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV

That was the idea, shifting VP. It does limit the output shaft and mounting options.

I know people have been weary of shifting with servos on the AM shifters, do the servos perform well with the Dewalt's?

[AllenGregoryIV]

Originally Posted by geomapguy

I know people have been weary of shifting with servos on the AM shifters, do the servos perform well with the Dewalt's?

We (647) used them in 05 and 06 and they worked well. The DeWalt shifting mechanism is rotary so it is easier for the servo to shift. They weren't instant so it was impossible to shift and keep a strait line but you could shift underload most of the time.

[geomapguy]

So I guess the real question is: is it worth the effort? Would they be successful servo shifting gearboxes for drivetrain for only $120 each..especially for our team that likes to stay away from pneumatics?

[R.C.]

Originally Posted by geomapguy

So I guess the real question is: is it worth the effort? Would they be successful servo shifting gearboxes for drivetrain for only $120 each..especially for our team that likes to stay away from pneumatics?

Wouldn't you need two gearboxes per side (One Motor Per)? 4 total?

[geomapguy]

Originally Posted by R.C.

Wouldn't you need two gearboxes per side (One Motor Per)? 4 total?

Oops....my fault there. So that'd put at the same price (roughly) as a comparable servo shift for a drivetrain.

But on another note they could be used for mechanisms where you might need shifting.
Ball indexing example: high gear for moving, low gear for unjamming.

Seems like they're a lot of possibilities

[R.C.]

Originally Posted by geomapguy

Oops....my fault there. So that'd put at the same price (roughly) as a comparable servo shift for a drivetrain.

But on another note they could be used for mechanisms where you might need shifting.
Ball indexing example: high gear for moving, low gear for unjamming.

Seems like they're a lot of possibilities

If you need shifting on a mechanism, it would be easier/cheaper to probably just get a DOG/Ball Shifter shaft and some DOG/Ball gears.

I know your wanting to stay away from pneumatics, but they rock for linear motion such as shifting.

[IKE]

FRC 33 has used a lot of Dewalts, but not in the drive train since 2006. In 2008, we talked about a dual CIM into dealt XRP, but I found a component in the XRP that likely would fail. FRC 27 ran dual CIM into Dewalts and had dome issues (different component but similar failure mode).
In 2010 FRC 33 ran a cim through a dealt into an andymark gearbox and then a big chain reduction for the robot lifting arm.
In 2012 we switched to a small Milwaukee electric screw driver for a winch. High torque and anti back drive. This tool used a 550 series motor so the conversion was much simpler. Bosch has a nice 2 speed unit but the pinion swap is pretty tricky as the pinions are prone to break.

[Richard Wallace]

Originally Posted by IKE

In 2008, we talked about a dual Com into dealt XRP, but I found a component in the XRP that likely would fail. FRC 27 ran dual Come into Dewalts and had dome issues (different component but similar failure mode).
In 2010 FRC 33 ran a com through a dealt into an andymark gearbox and then a big chain reduction for the robot lifting arm.

Ike, it looks like autocorrect is messing with your post.