[FRC Blog] Kickoff Broadcast and Game Hint Redux

[JohnSchneider]

Originally Posted by Zeromonkey

There have been many instances of robots helping each other in the past, within alliances as well. Remember Rack 'n' Roll? Teams had to lift their alliance partner up in endgame.
2012 we had to share a bridge (A very exciting and competition-changing thing, remember, FIRST likes the excitement)
There have been other instances of Coopertition in the past. I am sure that is what the assisting refers to, either Coopertition between alliances or within an alliance.

Since the GDC is a year ahead of the game, This game would be the first developed with information from the surveys after rebound rumble. Coopertition being back is definitely a strong and almost likely possibility.

[Justin Montois]

Originally Posted by animenerdjohn

Since the GDC is a year ahead of the game, This game would be the first developed with information from the surveys after rebound rumble. Coopertition being back is definitely a strong and almost likely possibility.

I think you're absolutely right. We can continue to speculate for fun but I think the game hint points to coopertition coming back. And that's it.

[Zeromonkey]

That's a great point. That would make sense too because this year in Ultimate Ascent we didn't see Coopertition.
2012 was the debut, the test of Coopertition again.

[atucker4072]

Originally Posted by animenerdjohn

Since the GDC is a year ahead of the game, This game would be the first developed with information from the surveys after rebound rumble. Coopertition being back is definitely a strong and almost likely possibility.

So coopertition comes back what ways could they make it happen?

[tickspe15]

If it is a hockey game i think that they will have it more closely resemble field hockey. Regolith was a nightmare that i don't think anybody wants again. Also field hockey uses small ball fitting with the ball-not ball pattern

[Zeromonkey]

Originally Posted by atucker4072

So coopertition comes back what ways could they make it happen?

That would depend completely on what the rest of the game is like.
We won't do bridges, that's for sure.
Maybe an FTC-like thing? In FTC this year we have a pendulum that we score in and if it is balanced we get extra points, a 50% bonus to be precise.
Uhmm...
Both sides lifting an assumed heavy object?
A tug-of-war scenario? Where the center needs to be parallel to the ground?
(I am literally just coming up with random ideas here, I'm not considering the plausibility of them)
A high place they need to work together to get to?

[thursam]

Originally Posted by Justin Montois

I think you're absolutely right. We can continue to speculate for fun but I think the game hint points to coopertition coming back. And that's it.

I must have missed something somewhere. Which hint suggested Coopertition coming back, and what exactly is Coopertition?
Ultimate Ascent was my rookie year, so I'm a bit behind on some stuff.

Edit: I know what Coopertition is, but what is it in relation to the game? A bonus of some kind?

[malanis]

Everyone keeps throwing out hockey with the idea that it HAS to be ice hockey or air hockey. this is FRC, the game is never the exact same thing as the sport it may be based off. There is a chance it could use a small rubber ball instead of a puck, or, only use small elements of hockey, like small netted goals on either end. it could easily be played on carpet, it doesnt have to be a slick surface.

[kk_4849]

Originally Posted by Zeromonkey

That would depend completely on what the rest of the game is like.
We won't do bridges, that's for sure.
Maybe an FTC-like thing? In FTC this year we have a pendulum that we score in and if it is balanced we get extra points, a 50% bonus to be precise.
Uhmm...
Both sides lifting an assumed heavy object?
A tug-of-war scenario? Where the center needs to be parallel to the ground?
(I am literally just coming up with random ideas here, I'm not considering the plausibility of them)
A high place they need to work together to get to?

So would the Coopetition come at the "end game"?

[atucker4072]

Originally Posted by Zeromonkey

That would depend completely on what the rest of the game is like.
We won't do bridges, that's for sure.
Maybe an FTC-like thing? In FTC this year we have a pendulum that we score in and if it is balanced we get extra points, a 50% bonus to be precise.
Uhmm...
Both sides lifting an assumed heavy object?
A tug-of-war scenario? Where the center needs to be parallel to the ground?
(I am literally just coming up with random ideas here, I'm not considering the plausibility of them)
A high place they need to work together to get to?

This is what I was going for. Just getting ideas flowing and connecting them to other hints.

[Anthony4004]

Originally Posted by thursam

I must have missed something somewhere. Which hint suggested Coopertition coming back, and what exactly is Coopertition?
Ultimate Ascent was my rookie year, so I'm a bit behind on some stuff.

Edit: I know what Coopertition is, but what is it in relation to the game? A bonus of some kind?

Assist is the hint which lead to coopertition. That is working together for a benefit usually. in 2012 both alliances had to balance on a bridge for coopertition points, which give you a better seat for qualification.

[thursam]

Originally Posted by tondogone

Assist is the hint which lead to coopertition. That is working together for a benefit usually. in 2012 both alliances had to balance on a bridge for coopertition points, which give you a better seat for qualification.

That's what I thought, but I wasn't entirely sure. Thank you for clarifying.

[Justin Montois]

Originally Posted by thursam

I must have missed something somewhere. Which hint suggested Coopertition coming back, and what exactly is Coopertition?
Ultimate Ascent was my rookie year, so I'm a bit behind on some stuff.

Edit: I know what Coopertition is, but what is it in relation to the game? A bonus of some kind?

Coopertition was an aspect of the game where you had to work with your opponent in order to gain an advantage.

In 2012, There was a bridge used in the qualification rounds that if you balanced on it with a member of the opposing alliance it was worth the same amount of ranking points as winning the match. So a team that went 10-0 but never balanced could theoretically be ranked the same as a team that went 5-5 but balanced with an opponent in every match.

For reference, the 2012 game animation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOXsdhZZSdM

[Anthony4004]

Originally Posted by thursam

That's what I thought, but I wasn't entirely sure. Thank you for clarifying.

no problem

[Zeromonkey]

Originally Posted by thursam

I must have missed something somewhere. Which hint suggested Coopertition coming back, and what exactly is Coopertition?
Ultimate Ascent was my rookie year, so I'm a bit behind on some stuff.

Edit: I know what Coopertition is, but what is it in relation to the game? A bonus of some kind?

If you refer back to the first page in the thread, they found out that the hint most likely refers to assisting.
You will soon learn all about the ethos of FIRST, Sam.
Coopertition is up there with Gracious Professionalism as important in FIRST. Coopertitin means "Cooperative Competition". Or, in other words, it means to be competitive and cooperative at the same time. In 2012, Rebound Rumble, the game contained a series of bridges down the center of the field (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOXsdhZZSdM) each with different colors. As the animation will explain, the middle, white bridge was the "Coopertition Bridge" that the two alliances would work together on. You did not get any extra match points for going on the Coopertition Bridge, but rather qualification points, which in most cases decided the outcome of regionals.
Coopertition is the idea that working together will benefit both sides of the competition. This is an idea that FIRST seemed to like since it made a big difference in the competitions.
Are you all caught up now?