[FRC Blog] Kickoff Broadcast and Game Hint Redux

[secondrobotix]

I believe this game has to do with Lincoln logs. Yes Lincoln logs I said it. Canon me crazy but you will all see in time.

[dellagd]

Originally Posted by atucker4072

Actually no... I was pointing it out for two reasons 1.) To get people back on track and 2.) To relate my idea to the hint.

It is a possibility thay he could have a bunch of sticks around his house.

Ouch - I was making a joke out of the way you phrased it

Anyway I think those carpet pucks would be a much more... intuitive gamepiece than a stick since it would be weird to play a hockey based game with the hockey equipment rather than the hockey gamepiece.

That being said, manipulating a stick as a gamepiece seems difficult. I hope thats not it!

[secondrobotix]

Originally Posted by atucker4072

The all time assist leader in hockey is Wayne Gretzky. Maybe the game element is a stick?

Nope you're wrong.

[Pendulum^-1]

OK, another shot at the whole Game Hint speculation. Quote:

"*Doctor Who is not a hint. I just happen to enjoy the show.

[Please don’t take my saying Doctor Who is not a hint to mean it really is a hint. It’s really not a hint]

[[Please don’t take my saying Doctor Who really is not a hint to mean it really really is a hint. It’s really really not a hint]]

[[[etc]]]"

Ok, so let's assume that Doctor Who is NOT the hint. Is it reasonable to say that Doctor "Whos" is a hint? (Gramatically, the plural should probably be "Doctors Who*." But this is the GDC, and this is just a Game Hint.) We've now had two very explicit references to two distinctly different Doctors. And the whole denial string is likely an imitation of the campy time travel/time looping inherent in any episode featuring everyone's favorite (alien) Time Lord. And the Doctor Whos hint is even emphasized again with the etc at the end, which is typically translated out of Latin (et cetera) as "and so forth." Indicating repetition. Which is what Doctor Who does in nearly every episode.

If the hint is "Whos," then Whos on FIRST could be back in play, I would think. It would be more than a little crazy to have a permutation of a baseball game, featuring wiffle balls thrown at targets.

*Based upon the plural of Attorney General is Attorneys General, not Attorney Generals.

[atucker4072]

Originally Posted by dellagd

Ouch - I was making a joke out of the way you phrased it

Anyway I think those carpet pucks would be a much more... intuitive gamepiece than a stick since it would be weird to play a hockey based game with the hockey equipment rather than the hockey gamepiece.

That being said, manipulating a stick as a gamepiece seems difficult. I hope thats not it!

Yeah I should have put that better... so much for English

[mman1506]

My guess is a hockey game using carpet pucks for shooting and a barrier will be on the arena to discourage scoring without passing.

[secondrobotix]

YOU GUYS ARE ALL WRONG!!! the numbers can be translated into Chinese and then back into English they OBVIOUSLY mean something else. You get the numbers 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 etc... This is Fibonacci's code! Anyone who is anyone can figure that out! It's elementary! SO it means that the game is... LINCOLN LOG CONSTRUCTION!!! #easy

[rkbot]

Originally Posted by Abhishek R

I can see coopertition, but nothing too big. If you can't win a match with just one robot, then it's not a good game.

What I mean is if there is some sort of restriction (i.e. the game piece must be passed to each team on the alliance) and one team is incapable of performing the task, that means the alliance loses at no fault of the teams who were capable.

I don't think I'm explaining myself clearly.

Maybe something where cooperation is a choice, could be the end game but maybe something where you can feed your teammates something during the match to minimize travel time or something?

[atucker4072]

Originally Posted by secondrobotix

YOU GUYS ARE ALL WRONG!!! the numbers can be translated into Chinese and then back into English they OBVIOUSLY mean something else. You get the numbers 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 etc... This is Fibonacci's code! Anyone who is anyone can figure that out! It's elementary! SO it means that the game is... LINCOLN LOG CONSTRUCTION!!! #easy

How exactly would that work out? Would it work with the previous set of numbers as well? The assist idea works with both. We shouldn't shoot down every idea that one person thinks is wrong. We need to filter out the obvious wrong answers and solidify the ones that are possible.

[MetalJacket]

Originally Posted by secondrobotix

YOU GUYS ARE ALL WRONG!!! the numbers can be translated into Chinese and then back into English they OBVIOUSLY mean something else. You get the numbers 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 etc... This is Fibonacci's code! Anyone who is anyone can figure that out! It's elementary! SO it means that the game is... LINCOLN LOG CONSTRUCTION!!! #easy

I realize this is probably a joke but just in case, I think this might be an example of people overthinking the hint ... just maybe

[dellagd]

I think the best cooperation scenario is a task that is quite difficult to do as a single robot, but less difficult to do to a degree. Maybe something where a basket (or multiple) has to be filled to a certain weight before something drops/unlocks. One robot can fill the whole thing but its easier to do with two robots.

[Abhishek R]

Originally Posted by magnets

You say that winning should have been the priority. Why? It was worth the same as the co-op balance.

Originally Posted by Gregor

Because winning gives 3 teams 2QP, whereas cooping gives 6 teams 2QP. If your option is winning OR cooping, you chose winning because it boosts less people in the ranks, while still giving you the same QP.

Exactly this.

You want to boost yourself, not everyone. If everyone moves up 2 spots in the rankings, yes you went up 2 ranks, but so did everyone else, so your overall relative rank hasn't changed (theoretically assuming there was no ceiling to the ranks).

[Calvin Hartley]

Originally Posted by Pendulum^-1

OK, another shot at the whole Game Hint speculation. Quote:

"*Doctor Who is not a hint. I just happen to enjoy the show.

[Please don’t take my saying Doctor Who is not a hint to mean it really is a hint. It’s really not a hint]....

RANT WARNING (Pendulum^-1, please do not take this personally. )

Okay. I see where you are coming from, and believe me it is a good thought. But... seriously? Frank specifically stated that it is NOT a hint! In fact, he stated that three times! While I applaud your sleuthing, I really really really want to trust Frank on this. Do you really think that he would cloak the hint in such deception? He specifically said that we are over thinking all of this. Let's stop over thinking, and focus on the actual hint. Not the Doctor Who references,* not the Fake GDC twitter feed,** and not the Kickoff filming photo.***

Rant over. Sorry for my unnecessarily long-winded post. I do not intend to direct this at anyone in particular. I think I'm just finally venting.... Let's get back to the hint now, shall we?

*Frank did say that he's simply a fan of the show, after all.
**The humor is awesome, but let's not take it was anything more than that.
***It specifically says "There is no game clue in this photo"

[Pendulum^-1]

Originally Posted by Calvin Hartley

RANT WARNING (Pendulum^-1, please do not take this personally. )[/size]

Fair enough.

[JohnSchneider]

Originally Posted by Abhishek R

Exactly this.

You want to boost yourself, not everyone. If everyone moves up 2 spots in the rankings, yes you went up 2 ranks, but so did everyone else, so your overall relative rank hasn't changed (theoretically assuming there was no ceiling to the ranks).

Depending on the situation, sometimes it might benefit some lower seeds to prioritize giving middle seeds ranking points. It can force middle teams into the top and create scorched earth scenarios which benefit lower ranked teams.