[FRC Blog] Kickoff Broadcast and Game Hint Redux

[dmaciel10123]

So, while reading through this thread I've noticed that the norm agreement is "coopertition", which I would definitely say is true, backed up by the numbers. But I believe we're missing a form of "Assisting" and "passing". Could it possibly be a "King of the Hill" or "Kill The Carrier" style game?

My thought is that Alliances might be required to hold a game piece for a certain period of time, or may score points based on how long they hold it at a time. Also, with the reference to "3", 3 alliances, also being coopertition because then two alliances would need to work together to stop the other alliance from scoring.

Just a thought.

(Edit: I just realized that this would end up being a rather violent and damaging game, and teams would probably have ways to hold the game piece where it would never be dropped.)

So, instead of a game piece, possibly an area of the field.

[heisenburger]

I was checking the wikipedia page and I guess the new game is called "Assist Attack". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIRST_...petition#Games

[roboryan]

Originally Posted by dmaciel10123

Could it possibly be a "King of the Hill" or "Kill The Carrier" style game?

this really goes against FIRST values but the game would be fun

and here is encrypted manual
http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...-where-and-how

[Niezrecki]

Originally Posted by RobotDoktor

(while ultimate Frisbee is a sport, the actual game was very little like it).

Actually. Ultimate Ascent is more based off of Frisbee Golf than Ultimate Frisbee. The baskets at the top of the pyramid are almost identical to the goals in Frisbee Golf.

Here is an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...-QzUG_Eo#t=401

[Qbot2640]

Disclaimer - partially off topic post:

Originally Posted by animenerdjohn

Its been a while but didn't the survey results from 2012 come back fairly strongly in FAVOR of the coopertition bonus? This will be the first game designed with those survey results to pull from so if it did get strong support youll probably see it again...

But I've slept since that blog post and its probably on the old shut down blog.

I've been holding back - but feel the need to say it is my impression (more than opinion, but less than documented fact) that the "coopertition bridge" is viewed much more positively throughout the FIRST community as a whole, than it is on CD. My team loved that aspect of the game, as did many of the teams we "hang with". Most the other teams we speak to were at most neutral on the idea.

Now the pure opinion part of it: CD is much more heavily populated with the "Heavy Hitters" (so to speak) and thus, would be more likely to have viewed coopertition as some kind of "watering down" of the rankings. Again...opinion, not indictment...I love you all!!!

[cmrnpizzo14]

Originally Posted by Qbot2640

Disclaimer - partially off topic post:



I've been holding back - but feel the need to say it is my impression (more than opinion, but less than documented fact) that the "coopertition bridge" is viewed much more positively throughout the FIRST community as a whole, than it is on CD. My team loved that aspect of the game, as did many of the teams we "hang with". Most the other teams we speak to were at most neutral on the idea.

Now the pure opinion part of it: CD is much more heavily populated with the "Heavy Hitters" (so to speak) and thus, would be more likely to have viewed coopertition as some kind of "watering down" of the rankings. Again...opinion, not indictment...I love you all!!!

I don't have anything to back this up, I will try to find a thread but I think that the coopertition bridge and balancing as a whole was taken quite well. The negative feedback came from the fact that it could change the rankings so much. Many teams, mine included, enjoyed balancing with the opposite alliance but the disappointment stemmed from the fact that if you lost a match and did not balance the coopertition bridge then your ranking would severely suffer.

Several teams throughout the season also were "sabotaged" by other teams trying to not cooperate to break up power alliances. This was particularly effective because your ranking could be so dependent upon the opposing alliances for the regional.

[Jengles]

Originally Posted by Qbot2640

Disclaimer - partially off topic post:



I've been holding back - but feel the need to say it is my impression (more than opinion, but less than documented fact) that the "coopertition bridge" is viewed much more positively throughout the FIRST community as a whole, than it is on CD. My team loved that aspect of the game, as did many of the teams we "hang with". Most the other teams we speak to were at most neutral on the idea.

Now the pure opinion part of it: CD is much more heavily populated with the "Heavy Hitters" (so to speak) and thus, would be more likely to have viewed coopertition as some kind of "watering down" of the rankings. Again...opinion, not indictment...I love you all!!!

So, this may be a complete misinterpretation, are you saying that the FIRST community and GDC do not care or consider the opinions of CD?

[ENIAC]

Originally Posted by Jengles

So, this may be a complete misinterpretation, are you saying that the FIRST community and GDC do not care or consider the opinions of CD?

I believe what they are saying is that CD is a subset of the FIRST community, which is the community that FIRST and the GDC serve first and foremost.

[bduddy]

Originally Posted by Jengles

So, this may be a complete misinterpretation, are you saying that the FIRST community and GDC do not care or consider the opinions of CD?

I don't think he's saying that at all, I think he's saying (and I agree) that CD, because it is not a random sample of the FRC community, might have a different opinion. I'm not sure it's true in this case, but it definitely can be true in general.

[Qbot2640]

Originally Posted by bduddy

I don't think he's saying that at all, I think he's saying (and I agree) that CD, because it is not a random sample of the FRC community, might have a different opinion. I'm not sure it's true in this case, but it definitely can be true in general.

Yes...this is what I'm saying. CD is composed of a sort of "FIRST Honor Society", thus, it is not a random sample and may be more skewed (compared to the FIRST population) toward one side or the other on some issues.

Now, bringing the thread back to the topic - my point is that perhaps CD is not entirely correct that coopertition was such a bad thing, and perhaps it may appear again...I don't agree with some that this clue points to coopertition (at least not toward 2012 style) but I also don't agree that the GDC would rule it out.

And I still disagree with Hockey...assists - yes...hockey - too obvious. But then again I'd love to see a hockey based game, so if it is hockey I certainly won't be disappointed.

[atucker4072]

Originally Posted by Qbot2640

Yes...this is what I'm saying. CD is composed of a sort of "FIRST Honor Society", thus, it is not a random sample and may be more skewed (compared to the FIRST population) toward one side or the other on some issues.

Now, bringing the thread back to the topic - my point is that perhaps CD is not entirely correct that coopertition was such a bad thing, and perhaps it may appear again...I don't agree with some that this clue points to coopertition (at least not toward 2012 style) but I also don't agree that the GDC would rule it out.

And I still disagree with Hockey...assists - yes...hockey - too obvious. But then again I'd love to see a hockey based game, so if it is hockey I certainly won't be disappointed.

Keep in mind the blog post said I might be too easy to figure out.

[Jengles]

Qbot2640, I reread your post again and I don't know what I was thinking the first time through haha. I was confused why you would have said they didn't consider CD; seeing how this thread was because of Frank's post concerning the works of those on CD. I do agree now with your comment about the sampling of CD users though.

[Qbot2640]

Originally Posted by atucker4072

Keep in mind the blog post said I might be too easy to figure out.

Well, if it is hockey the name should be:

"Powerplay!"

[roboryan]

Originally Posted by Qbot2640

"Powerplay!"

Why powerplay? just wondering I was thinking Slapshot ____ or Hat Trick____ or something more along those lines

Edit: sorry Qbot I didn't realize Powerplay was a Hockey term but it sounds like a good name just a note they might want to choose a term that relates to the game UNLESS ROBOTS WILL BE TEMPORARILY DISABLED WHEN THEY COMMIT A PENALTY(possibly like 10 sec I couldn't see much longer than 10 if that) that would be interesting and actually possibly more fun in a way then again not in another

[Jacob Bendicksen]

I see where he's coming from with the 'heavy hitters' idea. It takes a certain amount of passion for FIRST to join (and let's be honest, most of us live on) a forum about high school competitive robotics. The people here are the most likely to be opinionated about certain topics (myself included), so it's not exactly a representative sample of the FIRST community as a whole.