Aerial Assist Discussion Thread

[Darth Drew]

Okay, I've read the rules pretty thoroughly, and there's something I can't figure out, if my ball starts in the driver zone, and I can't cross between zones, and I can't pass between zones (driver and human player) and the ball must be entered from the side of the field, how do I get the ball onto the field?

[iPenguin]

Originally Posted by Darth Drew

Okay, I've read the rules pretty thoroughly, and there's something I can't figure out, if my ball starts in the driver zone, and I can't cross between zones, and I can't pass between zones (driver and human player) and the ball must be entered from the side of the field, how do I get the ball onto the field?

I'm guessing you're referring to the autonomous period. Before the match begins, you are allowed to preload a ball onto your robot following the specifications in G5:

For ROBOTS starting in the white ZONE, the TEAM may preload one (1) of their ALLIANCE’s BALLS such that the BALL is touching their ROBOT.

For ROBOTS starting in their GOALIE ZONE the TEAM may decide if the BALL is: staged between the TRUSS and the ZONE LINE and not contacting an ALLIANCE partner, or removed from the FIELD for the MATCH.

If a ROBOT does not report to a MATCH, its ALLIANCE may decide if the BALL is: staged between the TRUSS and the ZONE LINE and not contacting an ALLIANCE partner, or removed from the FIELD for the MATCH.

Violation: If the situation is not corrected before the start of the MATCH, TECHNICAL FOUL per BALL improperly staged.

[Darth Drew]

Originally Posted by iPenguin

I'm guessing you're referring to the autonomous period…

Sorry, I'll be more specific, I was refering to teleop, how does the human player get the ball to the robot while following all of these rules:

3.2.7.5 G35
BALLS may only be retrieved from the PEDESTAL and only if the PEDESTAL is lit in the ALLIANCE’s color.
3.2.7.7 G37
A BALL inbounded after retrieval from the PEDESTAL must be entered on to the FIELD from the side of the FIELD (i.e. over the GUARDRAIL).
3.2.7.8 G38
HUMAN PLAYERS may not pass the BALL to a HUMAN PLAYER in another HUMAN PLAYER AREA (passing the BALL within an ALLIANCE STATION or HUMAN PLAYER AREA is permitted).
3.2.7.9 G39
During the MATCH, TEAMS must remain in contact with the area of the FIELD (ALLIANCE STATION or HUMAN PLAYER AREA) in which they started the MATCH. Exceptions will be granted for inadvertent, momentary, and inconsequential infractions and in cases concerning safety.

Unless by "passing the BALL within an ALLIANCE STATION or HUMAN PLAYER AREA is permitted" they mean that you can pass the ball between those two zones?

[Coin3]

Darth Drew, it appears that the only legal way to introduce a new ball to the field is to take the ball that is on the pedestal(once it's lit up) and toss it onto the field from the side of the alliance station.

Since you can't pass between human players from the alliance station to the human player area, there is no way for somebody in the human player area to introduce any new balls. They can only catch and pass balls that are passed to them by a robot on the field.

[Darth Drew]

Oh, okay, I was confused because when I saw the video I assumed the people on the sides would be introducing the ball, and I didn't realize that the driver zone extended around the corner, thanks.

[E_puello]

Are the balls form auto removed from play at the start of teleop if they were not scored. If they are not are they considered field debris or are is one of them chosen to be played?

[Coin3]

Originally Posted by E_puello

Are the balls form auto removed from play at the start of teleop if they were not scored. If they are not are they considered field debris or are is one of them chosen to be played?

The remaining balls from auto must be scored before the first cycle can begin. Since the cycle hasn't begun yet any assists, truss throws, or catches that you get with those balls won't count as bonus points.

[iPenguin]

Originally Posted by Darth Drew

Sorry, I'll be more specific, I was refering to teleop, how does the human player get the ball to the robot while following all of these rules:

3.2.7.5 G35
BALLS may only be retrieved from the PEDESTAL and only if the PEDESTAL is lit in the ALLIANCE’s color.
3.2.7.7 G37
A BALL inbounded after retrieval from the PEDESTAL must be entered on to the FIELD from the side of the FIELD (i.e. over the GUARDRAIL).
3.2.7.8 G38
HUMAN PLAYERS may not pass the BALL to a HUMAN PLAYER in another HUMAN PLAYER AREA (passing the BALL within an ALLIANCE STATION or HUMAN PLAYER AREA is permitted).
3.2.7.9 G39
During the MATCH, TEAMS must remain in contact with the area of the FIELD (ALLIANCE STATION or HUMAN PLAYER AREA) in which they started the MATCH. Exceptions will be granted for inadvertent, momentary, and inconsequential infractions and in cases concerning safety.

Unless by "passing the BALL within an ALLIANCE STATION or HUMAN PLAYER AREA is permitted" they mean that you can pass the ball between those two zones?

Say for example you are on the Red Alliance. Based on the image from section 2.2.7, it seems the only place to inbound a ball is at the indicated markings I have drawn.


As for the second part of your question, the keyword there is within, as in if there are 2 Human Players in the Alliance Station or 2 Human Players in THE SAME Human Player Area, then they can pass the ball between them. Note again rule G38 where a Human Player in 1 Human Player Area cannot pass a ball to the other Human Player who is in the opposite Human Player Area.


EDIT: Does anyone know how I can shrink that photo to fit within the normal width of the thread?