Leftover Autonomous Balls?

[MikeE]

I'm still unclear about whether balls left over from autonomous get any points at all if put into a goal at the start of teleop.

The second paragraph of 3.1.4 states that points are awarded once per CYCLE but then table 3-2 distinguishes the base points for a GOAL with the 1-ASSIST point value. Since assists only exist in a CYCLE and there is a minimum of 1 per legal goal, the base point can reasonable be inferred as the point value for a pre-CYCLE ball scored during teleop.

Off to the Q&A...

[Qcom]

Originally Posted by MikeE

I'm still unclear about whether balls left over from autonomous get any points at all if put into a goal at the start of teleop.

The second paragraph of 3.1.4 states that points are awarded once per CYCLE but then table 3-2 distinguishes the base points for a GOAL with the 1-ASSIST point value. Since assists only exist in a CYCLE and there is a minimum of 1 per legal goal, the base point can reasonable be inferred as the point value for a pre-CYCLE ball scored during teleop.

Off to the Q&A...

3.1.2 MATCH Logistics
Although an ALLIANCE may start a MATCH with up to three (3) BALLS, the PEDESTAL will only be illuminated when the last BALL that started the MATCH is SCORED, effectively reducing the number of BALLS in play per ALLIANCE to one (1).

It says in this section (posted earlier by another user) that the balls must be SCORED before another can be added. As it specifies that these balls are SCORED, I think you do in fact get points.

[seg9585]

Today's team update answers this question clearly:

For BALLS with which the ALLIANCE started the MATCH, points are awarded when they are SCORED in GOALS.

[Gemmendorfer]

(Sorry if I missed something in the rules or in another thread, but...) Does this mean that if a Robot A starts with a ball inside them for autonomous but is not functioning at all (Robot A never moves throughout the match) (Similar to Team 1717 in the tournament on Newton and Team 118 on Einstein in 2012), the entire alliance is screwed over/can't score anymore points due to the ball trapped in Robot A? (Or can the alliance start cycling from the pedestal if it is obvious Robot A is dead/disabled and there is no way the ball can be dislodged from Robot A?)

[cgmv123]

Originally Posted by Gemmendorfer

(Sorry if I missed something in the rules or in another thread, but...) Does this mean that if a Robot A starts with a ball inside them for autonomous but is not functioning at all (Robot A never moves throughout the match) (Similar to Team 1717 in the tournament on Newton and Team 118 on Einstein in 2012), the entire alliance is screwed over/can't score anymore points due to the ball trapped in Robot A? (Or can the alliance start cycling from the pedestal if it is obvious Robot A is dead/disabled and there is no way the ball can be dislodged from Robot A?)

Read the first full sentence of today's update.

Spoiler for Update Summary:

The GDC is aware of the confusion, but needs more time to come up with a (potential) refinement to the CYCLE process.

[Gemmendorfer]

Originally Posted by cgmv123

Read the first full sentence of today's update.

Sorry about that, forgot to check yesterday morning

[Sparkyshires]

I think that would be a great q&a question, but i would imagine that so long as a team presses their emergency stop any ball possessed by them will be out of play.

[Tem1514 Mentor]

Originally Posted by Sparkyshires

I think that would be a great q&a question, but i would imagine that so long as a team presses their emergency stop any ball possessed by them will be out of play.

I would disagree with you on that statement, but would loved to be proved wrong.

[MikeE]

Originally Posted by seg9585

Today's team update answers this question clearly:

For BALLS with which the ALLIANCE started the MATCH, points are awarded when they are SCORED in GOALS.

That was a quick and authoritative clarification to my question!