Is it possible to shoot the ball with pneumatics?

[yash101]

Originally Posted by falconmaster

You may not want to go with a locking system, see Don Rotollo's post...
There is another way, you do not need to use locking method, see diagram on the first post on this at top of page

You don't have to. I'm just saying that that's what we did, it works, and is another possibility.

Oh yeah, the shooter has a decent footprint too!

[falconmaster]

Originally Posted by yash101

You don't have to. I'm just saying that that's what we did, it works, and is another possibility.

Oh yeah, the shooter has a decent footprint too!

yup, you are right about that!

[Mr V]

Originally Posted by falconmaster

will this release all the air in the system? http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/at...0&d=1389572570

I think it does, I will double check in the morning.....

I'm not seeing a valve to depressurize the system in that diagram.

However if you put the drain valve anywhere between the compressor and the solenoids it will drain the entire system as long as you don't add a check valve in there somewhere.

[Pendulum^-1]

Is it possible? Yes. A number of teams did this in 2008. I distinctly recall Blue Cheese, with their robot Blue Cheddar, at VCU:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1LK0JnMPFI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMZaZiNkDFI

There are probably other videos with better launch characteristics out there. Quite impressive. And that ball was 41" diameter, and 7 pounds. A real crowd pleaser!

As I recall, they did not latch the launcher. They did it all with improving the speed of the air flow into the pistons by reducing air drag. That, and they had four parallel pistons, about 1" diameter, maybe 8" long, pushing their shooter/sling. (I can't remember the precise dimensions for sure, but I did talk to them a bit during Saturday morning at VCU, observing and admiring their system.)

Ways to improve air speed into the pistons:

1) Having air reservoirs/tanks on the low side. A main source of air flow drag in pneumatics is the regulator. If the air is in working (low pressure) side tanks, that is no longer a source of drag for the air flow into the piston. Keep in mind that means that those tanks are only at 60 psi, so they don't store as much energy. You'll still need high side tanks.

2) Have a dedicated supply line for each piston. Tank to solenoid to piston intake.

3) Piston exhaust is open, with even the brass fitting removed. Be sure to use double acting pistons: single acting pistons have springs which will reduce your power/speed. With this setup, you'll have to have an alternative way to retract the shooter. Gravity may be sufficient. Pushing the ball onto the shooter may be sufficient to retract the shooter.

Latches are necessarily complicated mechanisms. More complexity means more potential failure points. If you don't need a latch, avoid using it.

[MrForbes]

We got the ball to fly. Finally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akZQIIDi12I

and it does discharge all the air from the system when we open the release valve, as usual.

[Oblarg]

Originally Posted by MrForbes

We got the ball to fly. Finally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akZQIIDi12I

and it does discharge all the air from the system when we open the release valve, as usual.

I'd like to thank you for sharing your 2008 catapult geometry in an earlier thread - it's been very helpful in developing our prototype at 449. We're currently running ours off of just one solenoid, currently, and it's working reasonably well for close shots:



That was with two 1.125''-bore, 8''-stroke cylinders, for reference; it shoots a bit further when we hook up a third one. We're going to experiment with different/better pneumatic setups and different cylinders in the coming week, as well as different arm geometries.

[MrForbes]

You're welcome!

After talking with a mentor on team 842, we are going to play with different solenoid valves, and pneumatic plumbing.

One thing we've learned over the years, you want it to shoot significantly farther than "just enough".