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Re: To Shoot or Not to Shoot

Which robot has a better chance of making eliminations?

The 9th best shooter in a Regional/Division, or the 9th best assister in a Regional/Division?
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Re: To Shoot or Not to Shoot

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So what are we going to do? We will be the best ball manipulating team at the regional, and guarantee ourselves a spot in eliminations as a result of this.
I would say that that's a smart move, assuming that you can get some decent pairings in the quals. If you can score in the low goal with a lot of assists, you'll be pretty good at making your own road.

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Which robot has a better chance of making eliminations?

The 9th best shooter in a Regional/Division, or the 9th best assister in a Regional/Division?
I would have to say that it depends on field depth in both classes. If 9th best is still a stellar shooter, I'd expect them to end up at about the 7th or 8th alliance captain, or picked. If they're a mediocre or poor shooter, then I'd expect them at the bottom end, if they were picked at all. OTOH, if the 9th best is a stellar assister, I'd put them as a late-first round, early-second round pick. Lousy assister, or worse, not a team player, lucky to get in on the late second round, or middle of third.


One thing that Torbots thought of was: shooters that don't shoot in any given match can still assist if their intake/outlet is good.
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Re: To Shoot or Not to Shoot

I definately see your point in having a good passing robot. I believe at champs elimination alliances (correct me if I'm wrong) will consist of 2 shooters truss tossing attempting to catch then scoring and 1 second pick defensive - passer to get the full assist points. Speaking out of experience it is very hard to state that other teams will notice you, especially when you have a random schedule, what if no one else on your alliance can pass... how do you showcase your ability? However if it involves you building inside your means, I think it's the smartest thing you can do
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Which robot has a better chance of making eliminations?

The 9th best shooter in a Regional/Division, or the 9th best assister in a Regional/Division?
There will be Goalie bots on each Einstein Alliance.

A Goalie bot only needs to receive the ball from the Human Player, then pass it to start the cycle. Then defend the goals and increase cycle times for the opposing alliance. 1 Zone.

Passing between robots intimately (Robot Makeout) may become the standard as a free ball can be deflected away, increasing cycle times.
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There will be Goalie bots on each Einstein Alliance.

A Goalie bot only needs to receive the ball from the Human Player, then pass it to start the cycle. Then defend the goals and increase cycle times for the opposing alliance. 1 Zone.

Passing between robots intimately (Robot Makeout) may become the standard as a free ball can be deflected away, increasing cycle times.
I can easily imagine some VERY effective goalie bots making it to Einstein. A very fast drive train and really good drivers/code to track the ball could make a goalie bot quite viable. However I'd imagine theres a fine line between effective and ineffective. You can either be a goalie or you cant if your opponent knows what he's doing.
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