Go to Post As in life, the more restrictive the rules, the more creative the 'best' solution will be. - DonRotolo [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > FIRST > General Forum
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
Reply
Thread Tools Rating: Thread Rating: 2 votes, 5.00 average. Display Modes
  #1   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 09-02-2014, 01:27
Willyspu Willyspu is offline
Registered User
AKA: Jim
FRC #2144 (Gators)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Rookie Year: 2007
Location: USA
Posts: 21
Willyspu is a jewel in the roughWillyspu is a jewel in the roughWillyspu is a jewel in the roughWillyspu is a jewel in the rough
Ending The Round Loaded

Since many of teams are building catapults with fairly high powered and dangerous ball launchers with lots of surgical tubing etc. what safety precautions are your teams taking if your robot ends a round while your catapult is pulled back in the "cocked" or "loaded" position?

We are looking are making a safety device or clamp for our team to restrain the catapult if it ends loaded at the end of the round.

Is your team working on something to make it safe to move your robot if your robot ends a round with the launcher ready to fire?
Reply With Quote
  #2   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 09-02-2014, 01:30
Joe G.'s Avatar
Joe G. Joe G. is offline
Taking a few years (mostly) off
AKA: Josepher
no team (Formerly 1687, 5400)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Rookie Year: 2007
Location: Worcester, MA
Posts: 1,451
Joe G. has a reputation beyond reputeJoe G. has a reputation beyond reputeJoe G. has a reputation beyond reputeJoe G. has a reputation beyond reputeJoe G. has a reputation beyond reputeJoe G. has a reputation beyond reputeJoe G. has a reputation beyond reputeJoe G. has a reputation beyond reputeJoe G. has a reputation beyond reputeJoe G. has a reputation beyond reputeJoe G. has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to Joe G.
Re: Ending The Round Loaded

Single acting pneumatic solenoids can be used to trigger safe settings as power is cut.
__________________
FIRST is not about doing what you can with what you know. It is about doing what you thought impossible, with what you were inspired to become.

2007-2010: Student, FRC 1687, Highlander Robotics
2012-2014: Technical Mentor, FRC 1687, Highlander Robotics
2015-2016: Lead Mentor, FRC 5400, Team WARP
2016-???: Volunteer and freelance mentor-for-hire
Reply With Quote
  #3   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 09-02-2014, 01:30
IVAN IVAN is offline
Registered User
FRC #2429
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: United States
Posts: 32
IVAN is on a distinguished road
Re: Ending The Round Loaded

if you are using the ratcheting gearbox concept the back side of a hammer does a good job of pulling out the shifter block on the andy's
Reply With Quote
  #4   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 09-02-2014, 02:00
Nuttyman54's Avatar
Nuttyman54 Nuttyman54 is offline
Mentor, Tactician
AKA: Evan "Numbers" Morrison
FRC #5803 (Apex Robotics) and FRC #0971 (Spartan Robotics)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Rookie Year: 2005
Location: Seattle, WA/Mountain View, CA
Posts: 2,137
Nuttyman54 has a reputation beyond reputeNuttyman54 has a reputation beyond reputeNuttyman54 has a reputation beyond reputeNuttyman54 has a reputation beyond reputeNuttyman54 has a reputation beyond reputeNuttyman54 has a reputation beyond reputeNuttyman54 has a reputation beyond reputeNuttyman54 has a reputation beyond reputeNuttyman54 has a reputation beyond reputeNuttyman54 has a reputation beyond reputeNuttyman54 has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to Nuttyman54
Re: Ending The Round Loaded

In addition to the built-in safety features on the robot, we'll be clipping carabiners through parts of the shooter and the shooter frame to lock it out during transport and storage.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #5   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 09-02-2014, 14:19
Gregor's Avatar
Gregor Gregor is offline
#StickToTheStratisQuo
AKA: Gregor Browning
no team
Team Role: College Student
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Rookie Year: 2012
Location: Kingston, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 2,447
Gregor has a reputation beyond reputeGregor has a reputation beyond reputeGregor has a reputation beyond reputeGregor has a reputation beyond reputeGregor has a reputation beyond reputeGregor has a reputation beyond reputeGregor has a reputation beyond reputeGregor has a reputation beyond reputeGregor has a reputation beyond reputeGregor has a reputation beyond reputeGregor has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ending The Round Loaded

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe G. View Post
Single acting pneumatic solenoids can be used to trigger safe settings as power is cut.
So your shooter fires every time you disable or cut power? That's hardly safe in the pits, or when testing.
__________________
What are nationals? Sounds like a fun American party, can we Canadians come?
“For me, insanity is super sanity. The normal is psychotic. Normal means lack of imagination, lack of creativity.” -Jean Dubuffet
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein
FLL 2011-2015 Glen Ames Robotics-Student, Mentor
FRC 2012-2013 Team 907-Scouting Lead, Strategy Lead, Human Player, Driver
FRC 2014-2015 Team 1310-Mechanical, Electrical, Drive Captain
FRC 2011-xxxx Volunteer
How I came to be a FIRSTer
<Since 2011
Reply With Quote
  #6   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 09-02-2014, 14:28
raptaconehs raptaconehs is offline
Registered User
FRC #3200
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Colorado
Posts: 54
raptaconehs will become famous soon enoughraptaconehs will become famous soon enough
Re: Ending The Round Loaded

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregor View Post
So your shooter fires every time you disable or cut power? That's hardly safe in the pits, or when testing.
Actually a single acting pneumatic piston will only fire on command. There is a spring that will force the piston back down to a resting position after each shot.
Reply With Quote
  #7   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 09-02-2014, 14:36
Joe G.'s Avatar
Joe G. Joe G. is offline
Taking a few years (mostly) off
AKA: Josepher
no team (Formerly 1687, 5400)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Rookie Year: 2007
Location: Worcester, MA
Posts: 1,451
Joe G. has a reputation beyond reputeJoe G. has a reputation beyond reputeJoe G. has a reputation beyond reputeJoe G. has a reputation beyond reputeJoe G. has a reputation beyond reputeJoe G. has a reputation beyond reputeJoe G. has a reputation beyond reputeJoe G. has a reputation beyond reputeJoe G. has a reputation beyond reputeJoe G. has a reputation beyond reputeJoe G. has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to Joe G.
Re: Ending The Round Loaded

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregor View Post
So your shooter fires every time you disable or cut power? That's hardly safe in the pits, or when testing.
No, should have clarified. It relieves the system of any built up tension when power is cut, rather than actually firing. Auto-fire on disable would be unsafe for a number of reasons.
__________________
FIRST is not about doing what you can with what you know. It is about doing what you thought impossible, with what you were inspired to become.

2007-2010: Student, FRC 1687, Highlander Robotics
2012-2014: Technical Mentor, FRC 1687, Highlander Robotics
2015-2016: Lead Mentor, FRC 5400, Team WARP
2016-???: Volunteer and freelance mentor-for-hire
Reply With Quote
  #8   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 09-02-2014, 14:37
apalrd's Avatar
apalrd apalrd is offline
More Torque!
AKA: Andrew Palardy (Most people call me Palardy)
VRC #3333
Team Role: College Student
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Rookie Year: 2009
Location: Auburn Hills, MI
Posts: 1,347
apalrd has a reputation beyond reputeapalrd has a reputation beyond reputeapalrd has a reputation beyond reputeapalrd has a reputation beyond reputeapalrd has a reputation beyond reputeapalrd has a reputation beyond reputeapalrd has a reputation beyond reputeapalrd has a reputation beyond reputeapalrd has a reputation beyond reputeapalrd has a reputation beyond reputeapalrd has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ending The Round Loaded

We have a few safety features, both in software and hardware. Most of these aren't unique to this year.

Software:

-We have incrementally (over the past few years) adding 'ok to actuate' (OKTA) signals in addition to the command signals for actuators. This year we've added them for all solenoids. Part of the output layer (in code) takes a boolean position for the solenoid and a boolean OKTA for the solenoid, and then the output layer takes care of dual vs single coil, safe states during OKTA, and polarity inversion.

-We also added OKTA signals for several control loops this year. A negative setpoint (since all of our setpoints are in the positive region) will trigger the control loop to hold the integrator in reset and hold the output to 0.

-We have a boolean signal in code called 'reinit' which is triggered every time we exit disabled mode, and it forces all the code into a 'safe' state. All of the state machines to go a 'default' or 'manual' state which sets all of the actuators to 'not OKTA'. The user must command another state for the actuators to go OKTA (usually all of them commanded by that system go OKTA at once, which is acceptable to us).
--For this year, we used several dual-coil solenoids vs single-coil solenoids for safety reasons as we did not want actuators moving when we disabled the robot. We also used a single-coil solenoid for similar reasons.

Hardware:

-We are planning on building a metal bar with features which latches between parts of the robot, preventing it from firing. This would be removed when the robot is set on the field

-We will release the stored energy between competitions and overnight.
__________________
Kettering University - Computer Engineering
Kettering Motorsports
Williams International - Commercial Engines - Controls and Accessories
FRC 33 - The Killer Bees - 2009-2012 Student, 2013-2014 Advisor
VEX IQ 3333 - The Bumble Bees - 2014+ Mentor

"Sometimes, the elegant implementation is a function. Not a method. Not a class. Not a framework. Just a function." ~ John Carmack
Reply With Quote
  #9   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 09-02-2014, 15:39
Willyspu Willyspu is offline
Registered User
AKA: Jim
FRC #2144 (Gators)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Rookie Year: 2007
Location: USA
Posts: 21
Willyspu is a jewel in the roughWillyspu is a jewel in the roughWillyspu is a jewel in the roughWillyspu is a jewel in the rough
Re: Ending The Round Loaded

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuttyman54 View Post
In addition to the built-in safety features on the robot, we'll be clipping carabiners through parts of the shooter and the shooter frame to lock it out during transport and storage.
This sounds like a great idea especially for the team members that need to quickly (and) safely retrieve a loaded and ready to fire robot from the playing field!

Jim
Reply With Quote
  #10   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 09-02-2014, 17:48
MrBasse MrBasse is offline
Registered User
FRC #3572 (Wavelength)
Team Role: Coach
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Rookie Year: 2010
Location: Norton Shores, MI
Posts: 677
MrBasse has a reputation beyond reputeMrBasse has a reputation beyond reputeMrBasse has a reputation beyond reputeMrBasse has a reputation beyond reputeMrBasse has a reputation beyond reputeMrBasse has a reputation beyond reputeMrBasse has a reputation beyond reputeMrBasse has a reputation beyond reputeMrBasse has a reputation beyond reputeMrBasse has a reputation beyond reputeMrBasse has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ending The Round Loaded

We designed a catapult that can only fire when the robot is active. When disabled the stored energy (compressed air) simply vents to atmosphere. The same thin happens when we are active too. If we decide not to shoot, the system will vent and release all tension in the entire mechanism. The only time pressure is stored in the shooter is when the operator holds down the trigger.
__________________
Andrew Basse
Coach - FRC Team 3572 - Wavelength
Reply With Quote
  #11   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 09-02-2014, 21:58
bowmanb bowmanb is offline
Registered User
AKA: Bruce Bowman
FRC #3991 (KnightVision)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Rookie Year: 2012
Location: Baton Rouge
Posts: 27
bowmanb is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: Ending The Round Loaded

We've also incorporated locking pins in our mechanism with big red "REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT" streamers attached.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 20:06.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi