Convincing ESPN to Show Championships

[Steven Donow]

Does ESPN still only have streaming services that require you to have a cable subscription/they have an agreement with your cable provider? Becasue if so, having it streamed by ESPN would only restrict viewership.

[Woolly]

Originally Posted by DevenStonow

Does ESPN still only have streaming services that require you to have a cable subscription/they have an agreement with your cable provider? Becasue if so, having it streamed by ESPN would only restrict viewership.

I think they do some unrestricted streams, it really just depends on what is being streamed.

[dodar]

ESPN3 is their online streaming and it requires your TV service to be a part of it. For this to be viable, there would really have to be no major sporting events happening in late April; are there any?

[Anthony Galea]

Theres the NHL Playoffs, but ESPN never covers hockey.

[buildmaster5000]

Thinking out loud for a moment: would it be possible for ESPN to stream CMP without having the requirement that you login with your cable TV stream? Additionally, could we not still stream CMP on the 'normal' sites? Why restrict ourselves to ONLY letting ESPN cover the champs, but consider ESPN an addition to what is already done by the community?

[Cory]

This can't be live. It would have to be cut up and have only the best stuff shown. The average qual match is just way too crappy to watch and there's no hook for the average person.

Even if you were switching between the best teams playing on any given field, you'd have a lot of dead time.

[Link07]

Originally Posted by Cory

This can't be live. It would have to be cut up and have only the best stuff shown. The average qual match is just way too crappy to watch and there's no hook for the average person.

Even if you were switching between the best teams playing on any given field, you'd have a lot of dead time.

Perhaps just eliminations then?

[XaulZan11]

Originally Posted by Cory

This can't be live. It would have to be cut up and have only the best stuff shown. The average qual match is just way too crappy to watch and there's no hook for the average person.

Even if you were switching between the best teams playing on any given field, you'd have a lot of dead time.

This.

Also, it would need to be a donation/sponsorship deal as ESPN probably wouldn't be making money on it. That would be interesting to see as it would seem to force FIRST to pick between 'making it loud' and their criticism of the sports/entertainment culture or industry...

[DampRobot]

Originally Posted by XaulZan11

Also, it would need to be a donation/sponsorship deal as ESPN probably wouldn't be making money on it. That would be interesting to see as it would seem to force FIRST to pick between 'making it loud' and their criticism of the sports/entertainment culture or industry...

Does FIRST really not like the entertainment industry? I always just thought they wanted kids to think that being an engineer was just as cool (and much more possible than) being a baseball player/rap star, etc.

[Lil' Lavery]

A couple of similar discussion have cropped up in the last year.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=118094
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=115983

Personally, I'm a little conflicted on the issue. I love the home-grown coverage that's springing up surrounding FRC (FRC Top 25, The Roboshow, GameSense, etc), and getting a foothold in streaming and VoD services makes a lot of sense given the technology-centric goals of FIRST. But most of this programming is more about current FIRST enthusiasts than it is about reaching out to new people.

However, the will.i.am/ABC special was pretty much a ratings bust and not particularly entertaining. The old ESPN coverage is only really enthralling to those interested in FRC history. FRC events are pretty poorly suited to live TV coverage, with the amount of downtime and the low level of excitement for most matches.

The next step, in my mind, is trying to find more companies to sponsor local, high-quality regional rebroadcasts of FRC elimination tournaments, similar to how GM sponsors the Michigan State Championship and Time Warner Cable sponsors the Greater Kansas City Regional. We need to figure out how to capture FRC for a TV audience, before going for broke and having to wait a long time for another opportunity, and need to find a way to make it more financially viable for the channels that broadcast it.

Originally Posted by eli2410

In fact, ESPN doesn't have anything for most March or April, since CBS owns the rights to the NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament.

I think it's unwise to downplay the significance of ESPN's regular programming. Things like "Pardon the Interruption," "Around the Horn," and the 6PM edition of "SportsCenter" are staples of ESPN and would be impacted by live FRC coverage. Additionally, there are regular season MLB games to be covered.

[eli2410]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

I think it's unwise to downplay the significance of ESPN's regular programming. Things like "Pardon the Interruption," "Around the Horn," and the 6PM edition of "SportsCenter" are staples of ESPN and would be impacted by live FRC coverage. Additionally, there are regular season MLB games to be covered.

I don't think our (mostly) weekday (mostly) daytime championships would interfere with MLB games or the NBA Playoffs, considering weekday games are usually at night. Concerning the "Pardon the Interruption," "Around the Horn" programs, they have two main channels and 4 other ones, I think they could put us on one of them, while having their normal programs still shown. ESPN takes the normal stuff, ESPN2 takes us.

As someone else addressed, rights would be a fairly small fee. Production would actually be smaller than your average event, because of the fact that FIRST does do some of the things they need already, such as lighting and sound. It would also probably be cheaper at the Edwards Jones Dome than at any of our regional (except for the fact that there are more teams at champs) because I would presume that the Dome has the wiring for cameras and such built into it, since it hosts NFL games. I know other stadiums, such as Sporting Park in KC, have it built in, so it wouldn't be a stretch to think that the dome does.

Concerning appeal, I think if ESPN can make bowling and cheerleading (no offense to anyone) appealing, I think that they can make robotics appealing. Maybe do backgrounds on a couple of teams, showing them during build season and such. I don't think a taping is the right way, because I think part of their audience would be people wanting to watch it live. If it was taped, even some of us might not watch it, because we have already seen it.

[Mr.Smoky15]

I think you'd have to cycle around each field. Then later just show highlights. Keep the standings scrolling on the screen.
A big part is telling people who a team is. Not many people know the 2408 Shrapnel Sergeants represent Hazelwood West.
Get interviews from big teams to play before their matches and show updates from the pits. Make a story out of it, so people at home get interested. If the announcers know they're on TV, they'll get hyped. Maybe bring in some guest announcers sometimes (celebs, athletes, etc.)

[cgmv123]

I've never thought repeated qualification matches would make for good TV. If ESPN televises regionals, qualifications can be streamed uncut on ESPN3. Eliminations, on the other hand, would translate perfectly to TV. There are natural breaks, so there's no need for forced commericals. The match flow (1-1, 2-1, 3-1, 4-1, 1-2, 2-2...) could be confusing, but that can easily be overcome with graphics.

[XaulZan11]

Originally Posted by DampRobot

Does FIRST really not like the entertainment industry? I always just thought they wanted kids to think that being an engineer was just as cool (and much more possible than) being a baseball player/rap star, etc.

I remember hearing Dean say things like "Our culture is too focused on who can bounce a basketball better instead of things like who invented something to help people...". ESPN has a major role in getting our culture focused on sports and could be partially 'to blame' for it.

Does anyone have ratings on the championship when NASA showed it on their station?

[JohnSchneider]

Originally Posted by Cory

This can't be live. It would have to be cut up and have only the best stuff shown. The average qual match is just way too crappy to watch and there's no hook for the average person.

Even if you were switching between the best teams playing on any given field, you'd have a lot of dead time.

Just tape the division eliminations and Einstein and make it an hour or two long special. In the same capacity that MSC gets.