New Central Illinois Regional Looking Good!

[XaulZan11]

Attached are the stats from today's matches. A couple notes: these stats are to supplement our qualitative data from our Scouting Team, so it is not expected to be a complete picture of teams. We scouting every alliance for every match. I do not think there are any errors is compiling the data but I'm sure there are a couple mistakes in the raw data (especially in matches were there were multiple missed autonomous balls). We did not re-scout the two replay matches.


2014_Central_Illinois_Stats.xlsx

[BoilerMentor]

Not sure if FIRST regional or battlebots competition...

[vhcook]

Can anyone tell me what happened in the last match/Finals-3? Ustream went belly-up toward the end of the timeout and all I know is the score.

[avanboekel]

Originally Posted by vhcook

Can anyone tell me what happened in the last match/Finals-3? Ustream went belly-up toward the end of the timeout and all I know is the score.

Alliance 1 won by 20. I think it was 112-92. 3 or 4 flipped bots in the last 2 matches.

[BoilerMentor]

Red won.

[Ryan Dognaux]

From the stands it looked like one of the referees called intentional tipping on 4296, but it must have been reversed after the match.

Incredibley rough finals matches, I haven't seen so much defense since 2007.

[BoilerMentor]

I'd mirror Ryan's comments. The play in the elimination matches was the roughest I've ever seen allowed by a head referee in my 9 years of FIRST. Some calls were definitely not being made correctly. The whole event contact inside the frame perimeter wasn't being called even with several instances of obvious damage to our bot. CIR was otherwise a strong event with great teams. I'll be curious to see how things change as we move into district play.

[1975Flyers]

So, was it rough or dirty? There is a difference.

[avanboekel]

Originally Posted by 1975Flyers

So, was it rough or dirty? There is a difference.

IMO, it was rough. But if you were the one getting tipped, you may not see it that way.

[Sparky3D]

Originally Posted by 1975Flyers

So, was it rough or dirty? There is a difference.

Depends on your definition of dirty. In our last elimination match, both of our lift cylinders were bent and one of the pneumatic fittings on our shooter was sheared off. None of these parts extend outside our frame perimeter, but no fouls were called. However, I don't think the bots that hit us were trying to damage us, it was just the way things at CIR were being played.

The lack of fouls for damaging opposing robots, coupled with the fact that the finals matches basically turned into a bot flipping contest, has left me worried about how the rest of the season is going to play out. I saw a number of fairly well built robots take pretty significant damage, and having your robot destroyed on the field is pretty disheartening for any team.

[gurellia53]

Originally Posted by BoilerMentor

Some calls were definitely not being made correctly. The whole event contact inside the frame perimeter wasn't being called even with several instances of obvious damage to our bot.

For reference:

G28
Deliberate or damaging contact with an opponent ROBOT on or inside its FRAME PERIMETER is not allowed.

Violation: TECHNICAL FOUL

The cylinders below are inside our frame perimeter at all times. More than once, another robot's pickup mechanism entered our frame perimeter and bent these rods. The pictures are from the quarterfinals. We also received damage to our catapult, causing us to miss our next autonomous shot.


G28 was never called.

[tStano]

Originally Posted by gurellia53

For reference:


The cylinders below are inside our frame perimeter at all times. More than once, another robot's pickup mechanism entered our frame perimeter and bent these rods. The pictures are from the quarterfinals. We also received damage to our catapult, causing us to miss our next autonomous shot.

Ouch. That looks pretty darn bad. That looks at least like grounds for the question box. Damaging a robot inside the frame perimeter is a technical, even if it was consequential.

If a TEAM needs clarification on a ruling or score, one (1) pre-college student from that TEAM should address the Head Referee after the ARENA reset signal (i.e. PLAYER STATION LED strings turn green). A TEAM member signals their desire to speak with the Head Referee by standing in a Red or Blue Question Box, which are located on the floor near each end of the scoring table. Depending on timing, the Head Referee may postpone any requested discussion until the end of the subsequent MATCH.

From the blue box

Regardless of intent, a ROBOT with an element outside its FRAME PERIMETER that causes damage to another ROBOT inside of its FRAME PERIMETER will be penalized.

[gurellia53]

Originally Posted by tStano

Ouch. That looks pretty darn bad. That looks at least like grounds for the question box. Damaging a robot inside the frame perimeter is a technical, even if it was consequential.

By the time we got off the field, the final match score had already been determined and shown on the big screen.

We immediately took the robot to the question box and showed the damage. The refs said that they did not see the damage happen so they couldn't call it.

[orangemoore]

Originally Posted by gurellia53

By the time we got off the field, the final match score had already been determined and shown on the big screen.

We immediately took the robot to the question box and showed the damage. The refs said that they did not see the damage happen so they couldn't call it.

That to me is a poor response to easily visible damage to a robot. There were matches that scores were reversed on last year after they had been posted. It seems like a bad excuse to do nothing on.

I think that the teams in the Finals should be held to highest standards of penalties because they have already played 8-12 matches.

[kylelanman]

Originally Posted by 1975Flyers

So, was it rough or dirty? There is a difference.

For the most part those elims were very rough...I wouldn't say that they were 100% clean either.

There was a technical given in the final match for intentional tipping when 4143 was tipped over. This technical had no affect on the outcome of the match so it wasn't announced.

In general contact inside the frame perimeter was not being called because the damage was not obvious at the time the contact occurred. Given the other threads on CD discussing the refs being overwhelmed it is also likely the refs were watching the human players ensuring they remained safe and didn't cross the plane of the field. They were also often interacting with there referee panel to keep track of assists and scored balls so there eyes weren't on the robot the entire time.