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Re: 2014 Greater Toronto East Regional
Wow
Blue just played F1 with only two bots I wonder why they didn't call for a backup bot ![]() |
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But it could be argued that the other alliance caused them to take the foul.
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1241 spent the match fixing their robot.
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Suspect they didn't call for a backup cause winning 2 against 4476/2198/1285 replacing 1241 with a backup would have been more impossible than coming back from losing the first match of the finals.
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It's really hard to replace the second overall pick.
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Now, if the blue team intentionally put the blue ball in the red robot, it would be causing them to take a penalty. But they just went for the truss shot that bounced into the red robot. Either way, it is really heart breaking when the top seed loses before the finals. Kudos to the blue alliance for playing good defence and having a really well rounded alliance! Last edited by PriyankP : 08-03-2014 at 15:32. |
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and now they have taken out the #2 alliance in the finals. Fantastic work all around. Congrats 2198/4476/1285!
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This q&a addresses the direct question. It does leave the exact situation open to interpretation to the referees, but it does let you know what the GDCs line of thinking is on this situation. Crazy matches. Crazy tournament. Not surprised that members of both 4476 and 1285 were at GTRW and took some of the strategic play back east with them. |
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Crazy to say the least. I've never seen an eliminations bracket like this, with such extreme circumstances. The penalty values make every match a swing match. Thus, making it heavily reliant on alliance synergy and strategies! |
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I agree with this above, but ...
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To me, it's more like this: "The penalty values make every match a swing match. Thus, making it heavily reliant on referees implementation and interpretation of the rules." C'mon guys. 50 pt penalty for inconsequential ball in another teams robot. I understand what the rule says, but think it is stupid. A rule like this should make it so the refs can determine if it was inconsequential to the score or not. Anyone watching this particular situation in SF1-2 could see what happened and the ball was immediately ejected from the robot. It was ejected much faster than even field reset can give the ball back to the human player. These rules and point values are out of whack. Seriously out of whack. My comments after week 1 still stand. Crazy game? That's one way of saying it. |
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i know this isn't a YMTC thread, but since we're bringing the point of possesion up...
If I'm lined up for a catch, my ally and opponent both fire, my ally misses, but my opponent's ball ends up in my catcher, what would you call that? I don't see how in a game where catching is an objective, you can design something that doesn't catch opponent's balls on accident. |
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254, 1114, our robot and probably quite a few more have mechanisms in place to prevent catching the ball unless they are in their "catching position".
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My biggest problem with this game isn't just that it is too easy to get fouls. It is that you can get easily get fouls for things which barely hurt the opposing alliance, all these common fouls are technical fouls, technical fouls are worth 50pts a piece, and 50pts are enough to change the outcome of most matches. |
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However, if we want the refs to determine which robot actions are consequential, we have to let them follow the big picture. As it stands now, they are too busy staring at trees (possessions, trusses, catches, goals) and then waiting for their scoring tablet lags to clear. So they miss the forest. That would not matter in the particular case being discussed here since the rule is very clear -- even if many of us agree it is "out of whack". Being a ref is hard, any year. This year it is harder because they are also part of the real time scoring system. That is the GDC's mistake. |
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