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Re: 2014 Greater Toronto East Regional

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254, 1114, our robot and probably quite a few more have mechanisms in place to prevent catching the ball unless they are in their "catching position".
He said the bot was lined up for a catch. I'm not sure what 254 and 1114 have that prevents catching the ball, do they distinguish between the color of the ball and then close the catcher to stop possession of the ball before it enters the bot? I doubt any teams have anything like that, it's unnecessary. I think you interpreted his question in the wrong manner.
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Re: 2014 Greater Toronto East Regional

Since this is not the catching thread...

Congratulations are in order for 4476, 1285 and 2198 for winning GTRE and 781, 3161 and 5036 for advancing to champs!

I'm wondering if 5036 knows yet that they qualified for champs...
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Re: 2014 Greater Toronto East Regional

781 has the best Chairman's award video I have ever seen.
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Re: 2014 Greater Toronto East Regional

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I'm not sure what 254 and 1114 have that prevents catching the ball, do they distinguish between the color of the ball and then close the catcher to stop possession of the ball before it enters the bot?
The driver should be trained to do that. Not incurring fouls is an important part of the game.
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Re: 2014 Greater Toronto East Regional

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781 has the best Chairman's award video I have ever seen.
I'm not sure I would give it the "best ever" award. But it was absolutely top notch! Congrats to 781!
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781 has the best Chairman's award video I have ever seen.
I could not believe how well it turned out; the members of our awards team made something that I couldn't believe myself. I think by winning the Chairman's award two years in a row, we proved that we weren't just a one-off, and the video is huge proof of that. This isn't just a thing that started this year either--every year, we've been working towards our excellence on both the admin and the build side of our team, and every year of the team deserves incredible mention for their outstanding contributions (from our kilt days to our boring jeans of today).

I won't comment on the game, but I think my feelings are like Gregor's, but even stronger after this competition. The eliminations at the very least were exciting, and it was fun working with our alliance partners 3988 and 3386--I'm sure if 1241 wasn't pulling off that great defence with that fantastic chassis, we would've been able to shoot a lot more goals in the top.

I would also like to thank Karthik for being, once again, a great MC for how often I saw him. He really got our team pumped for the match, regardless of my prior mood or the importance of said match.

Oh, and if anyone was curious, our first few matches were iffy because the sprockets for the left drive's chain had gotten chewed out. I'm sure people noticed the vast improvement afterwards--too bad that took up the time that I (the programmer) could've used for a 2 or 3 ball auto test

On that note, thanks to Team Dave for delaying the match by like 20 minutes. We would've missed our match for 1114 with the stuff we had to fix if they hadn't delayed.
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Re: 2014 Greater Toronto East Regional

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I take an opposite view point. It's as important to be able to score as it is to be smart and avoid these types of penalties. I believe any ref at any event would have likely called that possession (which in this case I don't think is very open to interpretation), so it would have been in the best interest of the team to avoid it. Saying that they couldn't is like saying they couldn't effectively do another task like scoring. The penalties in this game put a big emphasis on playing cleanly and designing your robot to play cleanly. Have there been inconsistencies with the refs? Sure, but that happens every year. Bottom line, it was the right call in the way the rules have been written for a game that placed heavy importance on playing cleanly from the very beginning. Some may not like that the game is designed this way, but it's the reality.
Have you been on the receiving end of some of these penalties? We've been forced into taking penalties that you literally had no choice about. Getting pushed into an opponents goal, pushed out of bounds, or had a another robot ram your collector while you are motionless, smash it, and YOU receive the 50 point foul for incursion into their bumper region.

The GDC worked on it some, but the penalty points are out of whack, and the refs are still overworked. That said, I suspect this is the game we're playing for the rest of the year. We're in the process of modifying our robot accordingly.
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Is there a link somewhere?
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Is there a link somewhere?
We'll post a link on CD once it gets posted.
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Re: 2014 Greater Toronto East Regional

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Have you been on the receiving end of some of these penalties? We've been forced into taking penalties that you literally had no choice about. Getting pushed into an opponents goal, pushed out of bounds, or had a another robot ram your collector while you are motionless, smash it, and YOU receive the 50 point foul for incursion into their bumper region.

The GDC worked on it some, but the penalty points are out of whack, and the refs are still overworked. That said, I suspect this is the game we're playing for the rest of the year. We're in the process of modifying our robot accordingly.
Yes, our human player once took a 50 point penalty catching a poorly thrown ball from the Field Reset Crew. His hand extended for a short period past the yellow tape.

We've had our intake out to pick up a ball, and been slammed into from the side, and had the intake swipe an opponent's robot inside the frame perimeter as a result. Again a 50 pt penalty.

I'm being 100% honest in saying that both the situations above are very different than what happened in SF1-2. 4718 had the entire half of the field themselves when the opposing ball landed. No other robots pushed them or forced them to go towards the ball. The ball landed feet away from them, and they chose to drive towards it. I've told my drive crew not to play defense on the opposing ball, only the opposing robots - that's how the rules are written due to these tech fouls. We asked the Q&A quoted earlier in this thread to clarify too. "Accidentally" catching a ball was a risk just not worth taking.

I find it hard to say that 4718 was forced into taking this penalty.

My opinion is that they made a mistake driving towards the ball, that ended up being a very costly one.

10/10 times my strategy guys would've said the better move would've been to drive towards the robot expected to pick up the ball and score it, to seal them off from the ball.

I agree there are some "forced" penalties in this game that I have seen, that are less than fair...

...but this is NOT one of them.
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Yes, our human player once took a 50 point penalty catching a poorly thrown ball from the Field Reset Crew. His hand extended for a short period past the yellow tape.

We've had our intake out to pick up a ball, and been slammed into from the side, and had the intake swipe an opponent's robot inside the frame perimeter as a result. Again a 50 pt penalty.

I'm being 100% honest in saying that both the situations above are very different than what happened in SF1-2. 4718 had the entire half of the field themselves when the opposing ball landed. No other robots pushed them or forced them to go towards the ball. The ball landed feet away from them, and they chose to drive towards it. I've told my drive crew not to play defense on the opposing ball, only the opposing robots - that's how the rules are written due to these tech fouls. We asked the Q&A quoted earlier in this thread to clarify too. "Accidentally" catching a ball was a risk just not worth taking.

I find it hard to say that 4718 was forced into taking this penalty.

My opinion is that they made a mistake driving towards the ball, that ended up being a very costly one.

10/10 times my strategy guys would've said the better move would've been to drive towards the robot expected to pick up the ball and score it, to seal them off from the ball.

I agree there are some "forced" penalties in this game that I have seen, that are less than fair...

...but this is NOT one of them.
I agree completely with your statement. I disagree with the idea that you can play clean in this game. No matter how smart you pay there is a good chance the rules are going to bite you in the butt. That's bad.
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I agree completely with your statement. I disagree with the idea that you can play clean in this game. No matter how smart you pay there is a good chance the rules are going to bite you in the butt. That's bad.
I disagree. I know of at least 781 and 1114 that did not once get a single foul in any match despite having rough gameplay, and I'm certain many others didn't at GTRE but I hesitate to name them because I'm not 100% sure which didn't.
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I agree completely with your statement. I disagree with the idea that you can play clean in this game. No matter how smart you pay there is a good chance the rules are going to bite you in the butt. That's bad.
We played HEAVY defense a GTR West with only a single blockading foul that was 100% our driver's fault. There was also only 3 fouls committed by teams on our alliance and they were all because of driver error. Our coach and drivers spent a lot of time training to avoid possible fouls.
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I agree completely with your statement. I disagree with the idea that you can play clean in this game. No matter how smart you pay there is a good chance the rules are going to bite you in the butt. That's bad.
This comment bugs me. Our alliance spent a lot of time on strategy for each match and we built strategies that would avoid penalties. We made sure drive teams knew what to avoid and that human players were paying attention. Avoiding penalties in this game is similar to penalties in a close hockey game, when you are rushed and stressed to get points you have to take risks that may result in penalties. If you are comfortable in the lead you can take less risks and avoid penalties. I believe our alliance didn't get a signal foul throughout eliminations.

edit- For those wanting to watch the penalties in SF1-2 you can see it here http://www.watchfirstnow.com/archives/88533519 (possession call around 1:30, pin call slightly after)

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This comment bugs me. Our alliance spent a lot of time on strategy for each match and we built strategies that would avoid penalties. We made sure drive teams knew what to avoid and that human players were paying attention. Avoiding penalties in this game is similar to penalties in a close hockey game, when you are rushed and stressed to get points you have to take risks that may result in penalties. If you are comfortable in the lead you can take less risks and avoid penalties. I believe our alliance didn't get a signal foul throughout eliminations.

edit- For those wanting to watch the penalties in SF1-2 you can see it here http://www.watchfirstnow.com/archives/88533519 (possession call around 1:30, pin call slightly after)
Please take the above comments as general commentary on the game, and that you can be penalized without intention or benefiting from the penalized act. SF1-1 strategically was a perfectly executed match and you earned the blue banner fairly. Your alliance had the right robots, planning and good fortune to win it all. How many second year teams have captained a winning alliance from the 5th spot?!

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