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Re: exploding plastic storage tanks

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I think that people are being too quick to assume that user error is the end of the cause of the failures. I have yet to see someone ask why this user error is occurring.

After pondering this, it does seem to be a design flaw. Likely this design flaw is in the documentation and the lack of safety knowledge. If there is a danger caused by stress from over-tightening the threaded fittings, there should be a sticker around the fitting that warns against over-tightening. The same should be true for any other safety issue with any device.

Also for any COTS device, read the manual before use. While the device may not pose an imitate safety hazard from a user failing to read the manual, reading the manual for the product will increase safety while using the product and prolong the life of the product.
In any case we need to gather more info and be careful until we know for sure whats going on.

I am using the 2013 clippard tanks, I thought its failure mode was user error too. Am I mistaken, was there a product defect that lead to its recall?
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Re: exploding plastic storage tanks

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I am using the 2013 clippard tanks, I thought its failure mode was user error too. Am I mistaken, was there a product defect that lead to its recall?
I do not believe that there is a mechanical flaw with the design, just a lack of world knowledge which led to improper use.
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I do not believe that there is a mechanical flaw with the design, just a lack of world knowledge which led to improper use.
Or lack of instruction/documentation included with the product?
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Or lack of instruction/documentation included with the product?
The only problem with simply including documentation is that likely only one person will read the documentation and some people will think they do not need too. This is especially important with temperature issues and material safety.
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Re: exploding plastic storage tanks

You don't get safety information provided on a sticker on any other pneumatic components. If I crank a cast iron fitting into a stainless steel tank to far the tank won't hold air anymore, but there is no warning for that. I have yet to buy a cylinder that came with documentation about anything. Everything is online if you want it. Clippard had installation instructions on the product page that specified the torque for fitting to seal the connection. When FIRST posted this:

Clippard recommends using 2-4 layers of Teflon tape and tightening the ¼” NPT fitting to 10-12 inch pounds (do not to exceed 15 inch pounds).

last year they didn't make it up, it came from the instructions Clippard provided.
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