[FRCTop25.com] Week 2 Results LIVE tonight!

[AdamHeard]

Originally Posted by steelerborn

I guess all it takes is having a number that people recognize.

Yup. All it takes

[IndySam]

Yes the show has always been a popularity contest but it needs to be remembered that it's just for fun.

I personally don't vote because I don't feel I watch enough matches to have a valid list but some people study and work hard on their selections and I don't want to delete their efforts with my uninformed opinions.

Here's a way to possibly change things a bit. If you see a team with an outstanding performance that you think should be recognized, when this thread appears on CD post about them. Include video links if you can.

[steelerborn]

It is good to hear you admit that Adam

[cadandcookies]

Originally Posted by steelerborn

It is good to hear you admit that Adam

Unfortunately I lack access to my reaction image library, but I think this can be illustrated solely with text:

THE POINT
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YOUR HEAD

[steelerborn]

There were many teams that attended CVR that should have been in the top 25. Look at 1323 they started slow but have an amazing shooter and truss shot, and ended up finishing in 4th. 973 was dead for many matches and was 2-9 in qualifications. It is also difficult because I have seen kids from 1671 work really hard this year. They managed to win with a Dean's list finalist, the Chairman's award, and made it to the finals. In qualifications they had the same record as 254.
The match that is being referred too in several threads and media was when 1671 was partnered with 973 and scored all of the points in the match and we almost beat 254. Just is sad to see these kids work so hard, and 973 is getting most of the credit for that match.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by steelerborn

973 was dead for many matches and was 2-9 in qualifications. It is also difficult because I have seen kids from 1671 work really hard this year. They managed to win with a Dean's list finalist, the Chairman's award, and made it to the finals. In qualifications they had the same record as 254.
The match that is being referred too in several threads and media was when 1671 was partnered with 973 and scored all of the points in the match and we almost beat 254. Just is sad to see these kids work so hard, and 973 is getting most of the credit for that match.

Why don't you just be proud of how hard your kids worked and how well they did instead of trying to bring down another team and make it sound like they didn't work as hard as you and don't deserve what they got as much as you do?

Perhaps that's not what you mean to say, but that's what comes across. I would expect that a team that obviously "gets it" (based on your RCA win) would not be so concerned about using an arbitrarily assigned metric for judging their team worth.

[Akash Rastogi]

Originally Posted by steelerborn

There were many teams that attended CVR that should have been in the top 25. Look at 1323 they started slow but have an amazing shooter and truss shot, and ended up finishing in 4th. 973 was dead for many matches and was 2-9 in qualifications. It is also difficult because I have seen kids from 1671 work really hard this year. They managed to win with a Dean's list finalist, the Chairman's award, and made it to the finals. In qualifications they had the same record as 254.
The match that is being referred too in several threads and media was when 1671 was partnered with 973 and scored all of the points in the match and we almost beat 254. Just is sad to see these kids work so hard, and 973 is getting most of the credit for that match.

Don't get worked up about an online poll. There's no need to downplay the accomplishments of others.

[Mark Sheridan]

Originally Posted by steelerborn

There were many teams that attended CVR that should have been in the top 25. Look at 1323 they started slow but have an amazing shooter and truss shot, and ended up finishing in 4th. 973 was dead for many matches and was 2-9 in qualifications. It is also difficult because I have seen kids from 1671 work really hard this year. They managed to win with a Dean's list finalist, the Chairman's award, and made it to the finals. In qualifications they had the same record as 254.
The match that is being referred too in several threads and media was when 1671 was partnered with 973 and scored all of the points in the match and we almost beat 254. Just is sad to see these kids work so hard, and 973 is getting most of the credit for that match.

I would not worry too much about a fun poll. You guys have a good robot check out this post:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...56&postcount=1

Clearly you did well in all 3 categories in California rankings. If California was district based, you would be cruising into state champs with a ton of points. FRC25 is for fun, i would not worry about it. Plus you won the regional chairman, so you get to go to champ as a pretty sweet dark horse. If you continued to not get noticed enough, maybe you will get to be like 973 in 2011 and form a perfect alliance.

[I-DOG]

Originally Posted by IndySam

Here's a way to possibly change things a bit. If you see a team with an outstanding performance that you think should be recognized, when this thread appears on CD post about them. Include video links if you can.

In my honest opinion, I disagree with this statement. To be ranked in the FRCtop25 your team should not only be in the 99.99% percentile of all robots competing, but should also display the ability to finish a regional. Teams that do not finish as at least finalist should hardly be considered within the best 25 teams.

There is more to ranking a team than just the quality of their robot. Their ability to scout and pick effective alliances, execute well thought out strategies, and win games should be factored in as well.

An excellent example of a team who did not belong among the top 25 last year was my own team 624. We had an excellent robot which would easily rank among the top 25 robots, but when it came to actually finishing a regional we could not. 624 never even made it to the finals last year which made me question how people actually rank teams within the top 25.

It should be as simple as ranking teams in college football. Yes there will be teams who get in purely based on popularity. However, if those teams do not display the ability to win games, then they quickly find themselves outside of the top 25. To make it on my own ballot a team simply needs to do one thing, win.

[steelerborn]

I am not putting down any team, if it came off that way I am sorry.
Thank you everyone for the nice messages you have been sending me privately. Glad to see I am not the only one seeing this.

[Joe Ross]

Originally Posted by I-DOG

In my honest opinion, I disagree with this statement. To be ranked in the FRCtop25 your team should not only be in the 99.99% percentile of all robots competing, but should also display the ability to finish a regional. Teams that do not finish as at least finalist should hardly be considered within the best 25 teams.

You need to be in about the top 0.1% to be in the FRC Top 25, based on number of teams this year.


Here's a few statistics
Last year, there were 25 teams that won their first two regionals.
Last year, there were 63 teams that had 4 or less losses in their first two regionals.
Last year, there were 113 teams that won at least one regional as alliance captain, or first pick.
This year, there have been 26 events so far, so there have been 78 regional champions, 52 as alliance captain or first pick.
This year, there have been 36 teams that have won multiple judged awards at a regional.

It's only going to get harder to be in the top 25. Even if there were perfect voters, there are a lot of amazing teams that won't be in the top 25.

[Peter Matteson]

Originally Posted by Joe Ross

You need to be in about the top 0.1% to be in the FRC Top 25, based on number of teams this year.


Here's a few statistics
Last year, there were 25 teams that won their first two regionals.
Last year, there were 63 teams that had 4 or less losses in their first two regionals.
Last year, there were 113 teams that won at least one regional as alliance captain, or first pick.
This year, there have been 26 events so far, so there have been 78 regional champions, 52 as alliance captain or first pick.
This year, there have been 36 teams that have won multiple judged awards at a regional.

It's only going to get harder to be in the top 25. Even if there were perfect voters, there are a lot of amazing teams that won't be in the top 25.

Why did you have to go and bring statistics into this?

Seriously great way to prove the point here Joe.

Just remember the 16 teams that make Einstein this year represent .04% of the teams that QUALIFY for Championship, or roughly .005% of all FIRST teams this year.

When you throw perspective on how big an accomplishment it is to even be mentioned you should realize how difficult it is to get mentioned.

Also if you disagree with your ranking prove them wrong.

[Michael Corsetto]

Originally Posted by Peter Matteson

Just remember the 16 teams that make Einstein this year represent .04% of the teams that QUALIFY for Championship, or roughly .005% of all FIRST teams this year.

When you throw perspective on how big an accomplishment it is to even be mentioned you should realize how difficult it is to get mentioned.

Which is why I get PUMPED for my kids when they make the Top 25

Originally Posted by steelerborn

Glad to see I am not the only one seeing this.

Jon, everyone sees it, but that doesn't mean I'm going to get any less excited about it. This is a huge encouragement to my kids, to be recognized for all their hard work on an international stage is something to be proud of. I hope it doesn't take away from your students' experience, they have a lot to be proud of as well!

-Mike

[steelerborn]

Michael, seeing 1678 up there is awesome. I am always really impressed with your team and you guys have very great students. We are usually right next to you guys in Davis and everyone is very nice. 1678 is one of my favorite teams now.

[IndySam]

Originally Posted by I-DOG

In my honest opinion, I disagree with this statement. To be ranked in the FRCtop25 your team should not only be in the 99.99% percentile of all robots competing, but should also display the ability to finish a regional. Teams that do not finish as at least finalist should hardly be considered within the best 25 teams.

There is more to ranking a team than just the quality of their robot. Their ability to scout and pick effective alliances, execute well thought out strategies, and win games should be factored in as well.

An excellent example of a team who did not belong among the top 25 last year was my own team 624. We had an excellent robot which would easily rank among the top 25 robots, but when it came to actually finishing a regional we could not. 624 never even made it to the finals last year which made me question how people actually rank teams within the top 25.

It should be as simple as ranking teams in college football. Yes there will be teams who get in purely based on popularity. However, if those teams do not display the ability to win games, then they quickly find themselves outside of the top 25. To make it on my own ballot a team simply needs to do one thing, win.

I'm still trying to figure out what in my post you disagree with because other than saying you disagree nothing else in your statement in contradicting what I said.