Week 3 analysis

[safiq10]

For thouse who competeted or watched week 3 regionals what did you see/learn?

For us we learned that if you could grab the ball and hold on it to it to the point where it won't come out you would fairly well. Also a simple robot that could pass and defend was super great. Also defending 2 robots at once from getting the ball was something that became a super helpful skill.

[who716]

yes, we attended a week three event WPI and did extremely well because of the defense, when not controlling a ball we would completely shut down the opposing alliance from scoring, and we established our catapult so that we can shoot while getting defended worked real great

[Ryan Dognaux]

Pedestal delays were still occurring this week at St. Louis. We had one match where it never lit up after a cycle completed, after about 10 seconds of yelling about it we finally just grabbed it and threw it on the field anyway. Other times delays were around 5 seconds. Have that happen a few times in a match and it adds up.

[Woolly]

The 1 point goal is real.

[Kevin Leonard]

Originally Posted by Woolly

The 1 point goal is real.

This.

Two of the best shooters at the New York Tech Valley Regional, 20 and 1126 paired up for eliminations. Until finals, the alliance scored a total of 1 high goal during teleop.

#Lowgoalisbestgoal

[theawesome1730]

• The 1 point goal can be the Hail Mary of a match.

• 50 point penalties can still ruin a match and are still too frequent

• A good defense bot can make it to top 8 and pick in alliance selections (for example Firebirds 5119 who also happen to be rookies)

• you will leave with battle scars

• the MC will regularly call the game Aerial Assault (either intentionally or accidentally)

[troylu1124]

It is the foul points that win/lose many of the games. Also, the refs/volunteers seem to take their sweet time lighting up the pedestals and getting the balls back in play once ejected from the field.

Originally Posted by troylu1124

It is the foul points that win/lose many of the games. Also, the refs/volunteers seem to take their sweet time lighting up the pedestals and getting the balls back in play once ejected from the field.

Make sure you know what you're talking about before you make broad statements like that.

[troylu1124]

Originally Posted by tanmaker

Make sure you know what you're talking about before you make broad statements like that.

Sorry, my bad. At the NC and Palmetto regionals there were many instances where the pedestals would take up to 20 seconds to light up after a cycle ended. Also, if a ball was ejected from a robot out of the field, the volunteers seemed very confused with how to get the ball in play/who to give the ball to so they can get it into play, in some cases the ball was passed around the field only to be given to the human player who was next to the volunteer when the ball was collected.

[1493kd]

Teams still hold on to the ball for to long thus slowing cycles down. Do anything with the ball other then hold on to it. Spit it out, throw it in the air, anything except keep it from your team.

And some teams still cant get over the "sex appeal" of throwing a ball high instead of dumping in low goal for fast cycle.

Human players also need to be running the ball back to start cycles I saw many that walked the ball over to a waiting robot.

[Swampdude]

It's funny when the human players aren't paying attention and you yell at them by saying "HUMAN!!!". I've never referred to someone that way but it makes sense now.

[pabeekm]

Originally Posted by troylu1124

Sorry, my bad. At the NC and Palmetto regionals there were many instances where the pedestals would take up to 20 seconds to light up after a cycle ended. Also, if a ball was ejected from a robot out of the field, the volunteers seemed very confused with how to get the ball in play/who to give the ball to so they can get it into play, in some cases the ball was passed around the field only to be given to the human player who was next to the volunteer when the ball was collected.

It's also worth noting though that most of these errors were just during practice matches on the first day, and when such errors did determine the outcome of a qualification or elimination match, the refs did the right thing and decided that a replay was in order.

[irvingc]

Going into our first district event this past weekend, I was surprised at how few G40 fouls were called given all the controversy surrounding that particular rule. The refs at Mt. Vernon were focused on robot-robot interaction...perhaps a bit too much (I saw a few instances of what I thought were clear G40 violations that were not called because the refs were not watching), though I can't say I disapprove, as at no point did it seem to be a safety issue.

I guess the main takeaway is that refs still have too much to watch for given the game-changing nature of technical fouls.

[ehfeinberg]

Originally Posted by troylu1124

Sorry, my bad. At the NC and Palmetto regionals there were many instances where the pedestals would take up to 20 seconds to light up after a cycle ended. Also, if a ball was ejected from a robot out of the field, the volunteers seemed very confused with how to get the ball in play/who to give the ball to so they can get it into play, in some cases the ball was passed around the field only to be given to the human player who was next to the volunteer when the ball was collected.

At NC it wasn't just the pedestals not lighting up correctly. The blue alliance assist points were often not correctly scored. There were matches where upwards of 30 - 40 assist and truss points were not being scored.

[ehfeinberg]

Originally Posted by pabeekm

It's also worth noting though that most of these errors were just during practice matches on the first day, and when such errors did determine the outcome of a qualification or elimination match, the refs did the right thing and decided that a replay was in order.

Not all the time at NC. 449 had to replay match 4 because the pedestal did not light up for a few seconds. However we were not allowed to replay other matches (such as match 30) when an auto ball was not returned to the field for close to a minute preventing normal cycles from starting.

Refs were very inconsistent with replaying matches when cycles took abnormally long to start.