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Re: Red robot pushes in blue ball?

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Originally Posted by Travis Hoffman View Post
How about herding - gotta have some pretty purposeful motion to pop that ball up and into the front of the 1-point goal, eh?

No fouls were levied against the red alliance in the following situation - not for directing the ball toward the blue goal initially, nor for pushing it through the front of the goal.

Here is video of the match (thanks again, 2252). It is clear to this set of eyeballs that red was not under duress and purposely HERDED our blue ball into the goal, with no help from blue - http://youtu.be/nOGNdYU0dNs?t=57s

It is also clear that the referee was looking directly at this action the whole time, and failed to act.

Here are the head referee's exact words related to this red alliance action - "That particular match, if we are talking about the same occurrence, was definitely followed by a lengthy discussion between your driver, 829’s driver, and I. Our interpretation was that the team bumped the ball one direction (towards the driver station), then in a different direction (towards your goal). Because the pushing/bumping led the ball in different directions, we considered the bumps separate and, therefore, not repeated and not herding. As for them “scoring” your ball in the low goal, we did not see them break the plane of your alliance’s low goal. We did notice that your alliance robot(s) were in the area, and while engaged in a pushing match with the opponent, the ball was forced into the low goal. There is no rule against such an occasion. The definition of scoring (3.1.4) does not specify that the robot scoring be from the offensive alliance."

Video evidence is a heck of a thing, ain't it? :-) It's also fun when you can overhear the people taping the vid call out the infraction from the very top of the bleachers.

Regarding the ball being scored or not scored - if the blue alliance above needed a 10 point goal plus assists to win the match, I do not like that the defensive alliance could use a 1-point goal score as a defensive maneuver without repercussion.

Calling herding for pushing the ball into the goal mitigates this unfairness. Yeah we get 1-point instead of 10, but thank you very much for the 50 points as well. Maybe you won't try doing it ever again now.
And to add insult to injury the refs indecision to decide what to do cost the alliance an 8 second delay in lighting the pedestal.
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