[NE FIRST] District Championship point cutoff

[Joe Ross]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

It is mathematically impossible to qualify for the Championship event if you don't attend your district championship. That's the precise reason why the 3x multiplier for the district championship was selected.

That's not true, It's hard, but not mathematically impossible. In Michigan last year, team 314 was the last team that qualified for the championship with 133 points. There were 6 teams that had 133 or more points after 2 districts. It will be easier to do this in a larger district system (with more qualifying teams) then a smaller one. It did not happen in MAR last year.

[Thad House]

If the points cutoff for worlds is about 150, then it would be potentially possible for the #1-3 teams in points before regional championships to make worlds without attending the regional champs, because a total of about 170 points is possible for 2 district events. But it would be very difficult to do, and I highly doubt the #1-3 teams in points would skip the regional championships.

[Bill_B]

Is there a source for match results that has autonomous and teleop points shown separately?

[engunneer]

Originally Posted by Bill_B

Is there a source for match results that has autonomous and teleop points shown separately?

The twitter data (replicated many places, but FRC Spy (above on this page) is one of them) has everything separate. You can filter by team or competition.

[Bill_B]

Twitter data may be replicated many places, but frcspy has precisely one entry for ctgro that is apparently practice match 2. No other filtering raised anything useful regarding the Groton matches. Bummer.

[Bill_B]

I made a Q&D google spreadsheet to compute championship points values for a variety of scenarios. You can see it here. I have enabled editing for it, so please be careful to avoid scrambling it up too badly. If you have drastic revisions to make, you should be able to apply them to a copy. Please share your improvement ideas.

Whatever the cutoff turns out to be, this will help a team establish some performance goal(s) for their event(s) without having to strain the imagination too much.

[plnyyanks]

Originally Posted by Bill_B

Twitter data may be replicated many places, but frcspy has precisely one entry for ctgro that is apparently practice match 2. No other filtering raised anything useful regarding the Groton matches. Bummer.

What data for Groton do you need? I have some of the FMS reports from the end of the competition that might have what you're looking for

[Bill_B]

Thanks Phil. We got thrown by a wicked curveball in autonomous when on the field. A pretty reliable routine in practice went totally sour on the field and we spent a lot of time trying to understand what difference between the field and practice was biting us. Aside from the damage to our scoring reputation, I was trying to see how much effect a better auto score would have had on the matches we lost. Our programmers have reworked the auto code and we've added some sensor usage to improve the performance overall.

[plnyyanks]

Surprisingly, the end of event reports don't give the score breakdown by part anywhere. Just final scores. So I don't think I can help you. They should change that for next year...

[lf3307]

Team 885 has asked for score detail for all district events...

I posted most of the WPI data under the WPI event thread.


Dan H.
Team 885

[Bill_B]

Was any data for the other tournaments sent with it?

[loyal]

To me it still looks like 55 points will be the cut off to get to NE championship. What do you guys think?

[Paul T.]

Originally Posted by loyal

To me it still looks like 55 points will be the cut off to get to NE championship. What do you guys think?

I could definitely believe that would be close to the cutoff. we were thinking around 60 maybe 65 but i like yours more

[piersklein]

My bet is around 65 to 70 for this year. Now I'm not doing statistics but heres why I'd say so: a team could win 8 matches in each of two events (32 points) which is thoroughly midpack. Be picked 8th at both (18 points) and then win one quarterfinal match in each event (10 points) and then win an award (5 points) or be a rookie or second year team for a grand total of 75-70 points. Which is quite good for most teams and should, this year at least, be good enough to qualify and be helpful to others at the new england championships.

[loyal]

This is how I figure it. Use the unofficial ranking here on CD ok. The top 25 played twice and are a lock for the most part. The next possible to advance goes to rank 62 it looks like and that is 40 points. If every team that is eligible to advance only got 12 points (6-6-0)that would make rank 62 now be 52 points. But I see better than that. 55 is my guess.