2014 MAR Standings

[scottandme]

Originally Posted by Wayne C.

Not that it matters overall but team 25 did win their first QF match so should have 5 more pts.

Just happy if we qualify....

Wc

http://www3.usfirst.org/sites/defaul...ing_System.pdf

"5 points for every match won in which a Team’s robot participated,
only for the Alliance that wins the series"

That rule exists to account for replacement robots in elims.

[BandChick]

Thanks for keeping up with this, Scott! It's nice to check and see how things are going.

I noticed that 1089's QPs are wrong -- we won 6 qualifying matches yesterday, and should have 12 qualifying points, and 27 total. We're marked right now with having 18 QPs, and 33 total.

[AGPapa]

Originally Posted by BandChick

Thanks for keeping up with this, Scott! It's nice to check and see how things are going.

I noticed that 1089's QPs are wrong -- we won 6 qualifying matches yesterday, and should have 12 qualifying points, and 27 total. We're marked right now with having 18 QPs, and 33 total.

Thanks, sorry. I manually entered the data for the three teams who went to Lenape for their first event. I must have taken the overall record instead of their qualification record for those three teams. I'll fix it now.

EDIT: Actually your team was the only one with the issue. The other two teams didn't win any elimination matches so it didn't affect them.

[Wayne C.]

Originally Posted by scottandme

http://www3.usfirst.org/sites/defaul...ing_System.pdf

"5 points for every match won in which a Team’s robot participated,
only for the Alliance that wins the series"

That rule exists to account for replacement robots in elims.

My bad. Saw the points but not the win being necessary

Sorry

[Brandon_L]

Scott, is there a significance to the teams highlighted in green? MAR CMP mathematical lock or something?

[AGPapa]

Originally Posted by Brandon_L

Scott, is there a significance to the teams highlighted in green? MAR CMP mathematical lock or something?

The teams highlighted in light green are predicted to be over the cutoff, not a mathematical lock.

After reading you comment I implemented a way to find out if a team is a lock. It's based off of Brian Lucas's paper from last year. The teams who are a lock are now highlighted in dark green.

[scottandme]

Originally Posted by Brandon_L

Scott, is there a significance to the teams highlighted in green? MAR CMP mathematical lock or something?

Antonio covered it - but keep in mind that I haven't (nor has Antonio to my knowledge) been keeping track of tiebreakers, so tied teams may or may not be in the right order. The MAR site has the tiebreakers as they currently stand. We'll likely be updating the sheet as the event progresses this weekend, should have a very good idea of the cutoff after alliance selections, since ~70% of the points will have been allocated by then.

Bridgewater is also the largest event, and will only yield and average of ~24 pts/team (not sure if 136 is going to show up or not). Clifton gave away 29.16 pts/team - which is basically a 2nd year team bonus for everyone who attended.

Looking at point accumulations for the 8 teams attending Bridgewater as a 3rd event - I would expect 6 of them to be eating up elimination points. That means the cutoff at #55 is probably going to be a good bit lower than the current median of ~55 points. Did 5 minutes of lazy point modeling, came out with 49 points for the #55 team.

After that - it's all up to declines and where the CA winner from Bridgewater is sitting in the standings (433 is probably barely going to make the cut via points once we see a few declines).

If anybody has information about teams planning to skip MAR CMP, I can add that to the sheet so we have a good projection. As of now all I've seen is that 103 is planning on skipping.

[rrossbach]

Originally Posted by scottandme

If anybody has information about teams planning to skip MAR CMP, I can add that to the sheet so we have a good projection. As of now all I've seen is that 103 is planning on skipping.

2607 plans to skip MAR CMP this year as well, since we're attending St. Louis

- Ron
Team #2607 controls mentor

[Johnbot]

Congratulations to team 225, TechFire, on their Greater DC Regional win!

[Akash Rastogi]

Great win for 225! Congratulations folks!

[AGPapa]

Congratulations to 2016 for winning the Engineering Inspiration award at Queen City.

Currently MAR has lost three point slots to
2607- Virginia Winner
225- DC Winner
2016- Queen City Engineering Inspiration

Teams who can still remove points slots are
11-Hawaii (This week, but a 6 hour delay)
555-Windsor-Essex (Week 6)
2234-Lone Star (Week 6)

[Dad1279]

So if 5 'MAR' spots are given out at regional events, and at the MAR District Championship Chairman's, Engineering Inspiration and Rookie All-Star Award winners take the first 3 spots, the winning alliance don't all get to go to St. Louis??

I would think MAR teams will be more motivated to go to regional events next year than the MAR Championship.

[scottandme]

Originally Posted by Dad1279

So if 5 'MAR' spots are given out at regional events, and at the MAR District Championship Chairman's, Engineering Inspiration and Rookie All-Star Award winners take the first 3 spots, the winning alliance don't all get to go to St. Louis??

I would think MAR teams will be more motivated to go to regional events next year than the MAR Championship.

Not sure exactly sure what you're asking, but the current system means that teams that don't go out of district are at risk of losing a slot to teams that do, and MAR as a district is punished for having teams travel and win bids to champs. As of now we'll have 15 (down from 18) slots to give out at MAR Champs, only 7 of which will be "points" based slots (down from 10).

Seems to be another rule made by FIRST that was only halfway thought through. Makes the region championship watered down in quality as teams are able to bypass it, removes the ability of the point system and the award system to properly choose teams to represent the district at World Champs, and punishes teams that choose not to travel.

Either get rid of the "reverse-wildcard" punishment for districts, or don't allow district teams to qualify at outside regionals.

[scottandme]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...FE&usp=sharing

Standings updated after Day 1 at Bridgewater, looks like everyone with 56 points or above should be a mathematical lock for MARCMP. We may have a few more slots depending on what 225 and 2016 decide (225 is rank 3 with 105 points, 2016 is right on the cutoff at rank 43 with 56 points).

[AGPapa]

Originally Posted by scottandme

looks like everyone with 56 points or above should be a mathematical lock for MARCMP.

Unfortunately it seems like the mathematically highest cutoff is actually 59 points. I didn't make the Mathematical Cutoff sheet the most user-friendly and the top section has to be manually updated.