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Re: 2014 Wisconsin Regional

Thanks for posting this one before we meet on Wednesday, Craig. I could not figure out what exactly happened when watching it over the computer as it switched back and forth a lot. I figured we had a short or something similar to qualification. I only watched these matches, besides my cheering interest, in a scout kind of way. I did not take the official's point of view, so I was quite surprised when we were the winner. I do see now how we were disconnected causing at least 50 points of the penalty in the referee's eyes. It will be interesting to watch our matches as a drive team and a build team to see what direction the information points us for the rest of the season in St. Louis and at Minneapolis for the MSHSL tourney.

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Originally Posted by cstelter View Post
Some discussion about Quarter final 2 Match 3 went on over in the "Why does everyone hate this game so much" thread. I had posted video of the match and jeremylee of 1736 had asked if anyone had video of Match 2 of the same quarter final. That thread didn't really seem like the right place for the discussion to continue so I figured this would be more appropriate.

I'll reiterate what I said in the other thread: I'm only posting in the interest of trying to reach a common understanding of how the scoring was done in those two matches. I personally do not think I yet understand fully how either match arrived at the foul points awarded.

Match 3: http://youtu.be/sbJUjhtlHLs

Match 2: http://youtu.be/ZP11DLtqJFE

I already posted all the observations I could glean from match 3 over in the other thread.

For match 2 I see a blue 20pt foul for what appears to be 1736 ramming 706 in the upper left corner of the screen at 1:57.

I see the upper right ref call a foul on red at 2:20, but no signal that it was a technical at about 2:21. My guess is that we were called for a frame perimeter violation against 93 while 3018 was trying to rotate around to shoot in front of the low goal.

Then at 2:34, the ref in the lower right corner calls a foul on blue (again no TF wrist bumping x indication) for what looks like becoming entangled with 3018 while we were shooting.

Personally the 93/3018 interaction toward the end looks like a wash however you want to score it. I don't think either were intentionally trying to do anything to each others robot-- 93 wanted to keep us from scoring and we were trying to score. I could live with a 20 pt foul apiece or no fouls on each. I don't really see how either was escalated to a TF.

The only way I see fouls impacted the final result of this one is if one thinks only red deserved any foul points for the interaction at the end of the match or if one thinks red deserved more. The early foul alone was not enough to change the result.

Everyone sees events differently though due to internal biases, vantage point, etc. I'm far from convinced that the right alliance went on to semi's, but I'm also far from convinced that the wrong one did. It happened-- it was exciting and memorable for all involved. I say congratulations to both alliances.

I do think if these alliances played 10 times straight the score could well be 5-5, but I think the matches would be spectacular to watch.
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