[NE FIRST] District Championship point cutoff

[Steven Donow]

Originally Posted by Jay O'Donnell

I think he took out Chairman's award winners since they qualify already. Explains why 3467 and 558 are two of the teams not included.

Good observation, my bad.

[mwtidd]

Originally Posted by Jay O'Donnell

I think he took out Chairman's award winners since they qualify already. Explains why 3467 and 558 are two of the teams not included.

Yeah, sorry bout that.

Congrats to 78, 3467, 558, 2648, 811, and 1100 on their DCA wins!

[scaryone]

Originally Posted by lineskier

I broke the teams into 10 segments based on first event percentiles. Then took the average % delta of teams in each segment that had competed in 2 events. I then used that % delta to estimate the event 2 scores for teams yet to compete.

Congrats to all the DCA winners already in!

Here are the top 59 based on these calculations:

rank	team	score
1	58	140
2	177	138
3	176	138
4	2877	121
5	1519	120
6	1991	118
7	236	118
8	4564	115
9	131	115
10	195	114
11	237	114
12	716	112
13	5122	111
14	319	107
15	4761	106
16	138	104
17	230	103
18	4555	100
19	133	96
20	228	94
21	4958	93
22	175	90
23	2168	90
24	125	90
25	166	90
26	4473	89
27	2067	88
28	172	88
29	190	85
30	999	81
31	5112	80
32	3930	77
33	4908	76
34	178	75
35	4909	75
36	4048	75
37	1786	75
38	97	75
39	4055	73
40	2084	72
41	1517	70
42	61	69
43	3525	68
44	1071	68
45	2064	63
46	1735	62
47	1699	61
48	3597	59
49	1058	59
50	3323	59
51	1099	59
52	348	59
53	213	58
54	1350	57
55	95	57
56	246	57
57	1073	57
58	3718	56
59	5163	56

Looks good to me

[TD78]

Originally Posted by lineskier

Yeah, sorry bout that.

Congrats to 78, 3467, 558, 2648, 811, and 1100 on their DCA wins!

What do you get when you add all those DCA teams in? Because not all of the DCA teams are going to earn a DCMP CA, and if they want to go to WCMP, the robot will need to qualify on points.

[mwtidd]

Originally Posted by TD78

What do you get when you add all those DCA teams in? Because not all of the DCA teams are going to earn a DCMP CA, and if they want to go to WCMP, the robot will need to qualify on points.

This is what I had for those teams:

	78	121
	3467	119
	558	107
	2648	93
	811	68
	1100	67

I think it's kinda cool that it appears they all would have made it into the DCMP with points alone.

[Bill_B]

Why the top 59? I was under the impression that NE DCMP was 54 teams. Or 45 after the 9 DCAs were considered.

It's true that the actual point totals should be carried forward even for the DCA qualifiers so that they are in the running for qualification to CMP.

Any among the *'d teams ready to pass on their likely invitation to Boston?

[MikeE]

Originally Posted by Bill_B

Why the top 59? I was under the impression that NE DCMP was 54 teams. Or 45 after the 9 DCAs were considered.

There are 5 New England teams that are pre-qualified for World Championships as either Hall of Fame or Original & Sustaining teams. Some of these may choose not to attend the New England District Championships if they are already planning to attend St. Louis.
I suspect that's why the top 59 (54+5) were listed.

Back to the original thread topic.
After Week 5 my calculations show the 54th ranked team at 58 points, with 32 teams below that threshold still to play their second scoring event at PineTree.

[Nathan Streeter]

My predicted cut-off to make it to DCMP has risen to 62-64pts after the Week 5 districts! That said, the next 10 teams (down to #64) all have at least 57 points... I don't think anyone really knows how far down the list teams will end up being invited (due to declines above #54), but I personally wouldn't be surprised if it gets down below #64 on the list.

Originally Posted by MikeE

There are 5 New England teams that are pre-qualified for World Championships as either Hall of Fame or Original & Sustaining teams. Some of these may choose not to attend the New England District Championships if they are already planning to attend St. Louis.
I suspect that's why the top 59 (54+5) were listed.

While some of these teams may choose not to attend DCMP (I understand reasoning behind that), I don't think other teams should make these Hall of Fame and Original & Sustaining Teams feel like they should opt out of DCMP (an attitude that they should sit out from other teams seems pretty darn un-GP in my opinion!). The District Championship is designed to have the best-of-the-best from New England... it only seems appropriate that these excellent NE teams be at the best NE competition!

That said, if a HOF or O&S Team decides to opt-out of DCMP despite qualifying for it for other personal reasons (i.e. saving money for CMP registration), then I definitely understand. What I absolutely don't want is for these 5 excellent, historic teams to be pushed out of their spots at DCMP because they are concerned about a selfish attitude other teams have.

As a side-note, 2 of the HOF or O&S teams are projected to be below the 54-team cut-off.

As another side-note, I'm in no way criticizing MikeE even though I quoted his post. It seems to me like he was just explaining why 59 teams may have been selected.

[mwtidd]

Originally Posted by MikeE

There are 5 New England teams that are pre-qualified for World Championships as either Hall of Fame or Original & Sustaining teams. Some of these may choose not to attend the New England District Championships if they are already planning to attend St. Louis.
I suspect that's why the top 59 (54+5) were listed.

Back to the original thread topic.
After Week 5 my calculations show the 54th ranked team at 58 points, with 32 teams below that threshold still to play their second scoring event at PineTree.

It's actually far simpler than that. I wanted to do top 60 but then realized that the 60th team fell into another point bracket. So 59 seemed good enough .

As points were estimated for many of the teams, I wanted to leave some buffer.

[MikeE]

Originally Posted by Nathan Streeter

As another side-note, I'm in no way criticizing MikeE even though I quoted his post. It seems to me like he was just explaining why 59 teams may have been selected.[/size]

I'm definitely not above criticism but Nathan is correct that the purpose of my post was to give a possible explanation for 59 teams in the list, although even there lineskier has shown I was wrong!

I agree that it would be awesome to see the best 54 teams in New England compete in Boston* so I'm absolutely not suggesting that any pre-qualified World Championship teams should skip the event, although I believe some have already decided to do so for financial/logistic reasons.

* Based on proportion of teams attending, the average qualification match at the New England Championship should be as competitive as a typical semi-final match at a District event, and arguably better. How crazy is that?

[Samwaldo]

It feels wierd being so close to the edge right now (50th). Very frightening in fact. Its our best performing robot ever and the last for me.

Being so close to the edge, i feel that the cut off will be very close to 61pts! (We are 59pts) This makes me all the more curious, are you OR have you heard of another team that will be declining an invite?

[mwtidd]

Same algorithm, new ranks.

63 points to clinch.

	Team	score	dca
1	3467	148	DCA
2	78	121	DCA
3	558	107	DCA
4	2648	93	DCA
5	2067	88	DCA
6	811	68	DCA
7	1100	67	DCA
8	1058	65	DCA
9	58	139	
10	4564	133	
11	5122	130	
12	177	129	
13	319	124	
14	1519	120	
15	4555	117	
16	131	115	
17	133	115	
18	195	114	
19	176	111	
20	2877	110	
21	166	107	
22	172	104	
23	138	104	
24	230	103	
25	236	95	
26	1991	93	
27	175	90	
28	2168	90	
29	125	90	
30	1071	90	
31	4473	89	
32	237	88	
33	190	85	
34	3930	83	
35	4908	80	
36	5112	80	
37	716	79	
38	178	75	
39	4909	75	
40	4048	75	
41	5129	74	
42	4055	73	
43	4761	72	
44	1517	70	
45	61	69	
46	5000	68	
47	228	67	
48	246	66	
49	69	66	
50	1073	64	
51	4958	63	
52	2064	63	
53	2084	63	
54	3525	63

[Jay O'Donnell]

Originally Posted by lineskier

Same algorithm, new ranks.

63 points to clinch.

	Team	score	
1	3467	148	DCA
2	78	121	DCA
3	558	107	DCA
4	2648	93	DCA
5	2067	88	DCA
6	811	68	DCA
7	1100	67	DCA
8	1058	65	DCA
9	58	167	
10	4564	135	
11	5122	130	
12	177	129	
13	319	128	
14	1519	120	
15	4555	117	
16	131	115	
17	133	115	
18	195	114	
19	176	111	
20	2877	110	
21	166	107	
22	172	104	
23	138	104	
24	230	103	
25	1786	47	
26	236	95	
27	1991	93	
28	175	90	
29	2168	90	
30	125	90	
31	4473	89	
32	237	88	
33	1071	90	
34	190	85	
35	4908	80	
36	5112	80	
37	716	79	
38	178	75	
39	4909	75	
40	4048	75	
41	5129	74	
42	4055	73	
43	4761	72	
44	1517	70	
45	61	69	
46	5000	68	
47	228	67	
48	246	66	
49	69	66	
50	1073	64	
51	4958	63	
52	2064	63	
53	2084	63	
54	3525	63	
55	1735	62	
56	1699	61	
57	999	60	
58	3323	59	
59	1099	59	
60	348	59	
61	1153	59

Why is 1786 randomly in 25th? (higher than they should be)

[mwtidd]

Originally Posted by Jay O'Donnell

Why is 1786 randomly in 25th? (higher than they should be)

Because excel is crazy like that, and sometimes opts not to sort appropriately . Fixed it in the post.

[Steve Kaneb]

Originally Posted by Samwaldo

Being so close to the edge, i feel that the cut off will be very close to 61pts! (We are 59pts) This makes me all the more curious, are you OR have you heard of another team that will be declining an invite?

FRC190 is not going to attend the DCMP. Our structure and financial situation makes it easiest to plan for Worlds instead, and we'll be going there every year. We took the opportunity to do an "away event" this year (Alamo) in addition to our two district events.