2014 MAR Standings

[scottandme]

Originally Posted by Brandon_L

Scott, is there a significance to the teams highlighted in green? MAR CMP mathematical lock or something?

Antonio covered it - but keep in mind that I haven't (nor has Antonio to my knowledge) been keeping track of tiebreakers, so tied teams may or may not be in the right order. The MAR site has the tiebreakers as they currently stand. We'll likely be updating the sheet as the event progresses this weekend, should have a very good idea of the cutoff after alliance selections, since ~70% of the points will have been allocated by then.

Bridgewater is also the largest event, and will only yield and average of ~24 pts/team (not sure if 136 is going to show up or not). Clifton gave away 29.16 pts/team - which is basically a 2nd year team bonus for everyone who attended.

Looking at point accumulations for the 8 teams attending Bridgewater as a 3rd event - I would expect 6 of them to be eating up elimination points. That means the cutoff at #55 is probably going to be a good bit lower than the current median of ~55 points. Did 5 minutes of lazy point modeling, came out with 49 points for the #55 team.

After that - it's all up to declines and where the CA winner from Bridgewater is sitting in the standings (433 is probably barely going to make the cut via points once we see a few declines).

If anybody has information about teams planning to skip MAR CMP, I can add that to the sheet so we have a good projection. As of now all I've seen is that 103 is planning on skipping.

[rrossbach]

Originally Posted by scottandme

If anybody has information about teams planning to skip MAR CMP, I can add that to the sheet so we have a good projection. As of now all I've seen is that 103 is planning on skipping.

2607 plans to skip MAR CMP this year as well, since we're attending St. Louis

- Ron
Team #2607 controls mentor

[Johnbot]

Congratulations to team 225, TechFire, on their Greater DC Regional win!

[Akash Rastogi]

Great win for 225! Congratulations folks!

[AGPapa]

Congratulations to 2016 for winning the Engineering Inspiration award at Queen City.

Currently MAR has lost three point slots to
2607- Virginia Winner
225- DC Winner
2016- Queen City Engineering Inspiration

Teams who can still remove points slots are
11-Hawaii (This week, but a 6 hour delay)
555-Windsor-Essex (Week 6)
2234-Lone Star (Week 6)

[Dad1279]

So if 5 'MAR' spots are given out at regional events, and at the MAR District Championship Chairman's, Engineering Inspiration and Rookie All-Star Award winners take the first 3 spots, the winning alliance don't all get to go to St. Louis??

I would think MAR teams will be more motivated to go to regional events next year than the MAR Championship.

[scottandme]

Originally Posted by Dad1279

So if 5 'MAR' spots are given out at regional events, and at the MAR District Championship Chairman's, Engineering Inspiration and Rookie All-Star Award winners take the first 3 spots, the winning alliance don't all get to go to St. Louis??

I would think MAR teams will be more motivated to go to regional events next year than the MAR Championship.

Not sure exactly sure what you're asking, but the current system means that teams that don't go out of district are at risk of losing a slot to teams that do, and MAR as a district is punished for having teams travel and win bids to champs. As of now we'll have 15 (down from 18) slots to give out at MAR Champs, only 7 of which will be "points" based slots (down from 10).

Seems to be another rule made by FIRST that was only halfway thought through. Makes the region championship watered down in quality as teams are able to bypass it, removes the ability of the point system and the award system to properly choose teams to represent the district at World Champs, and punishes teams that choose not to travel.

Either get rid of the "reverse-wildcard" punishment for districts, or don't allow district teams to qualify at outside regionals.

[scottandme]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...FE&usp=sharing

Standings updated after Day 1 at Bridgewater, looks like everyone with 56 points or above should be a mathematical lock for MARCMP. We may have a few more slots depending on what 225 and 2016 decide (225 is rank 3 with 105 points, 2016 is right on the cutoff at rank 43 with 56 points).

[Dad1279]

Originally Posted by scottandme

Not sure exactly sure what you're asking, but the current system means that teams that don't go out of district are at risk of losing a slot to teams that do, and MAR as a district is punished for having teams travel and win bids to champs. As of now we'll have 15 (down from 18) slots to give out at MAR Champs, only 7 of which will be "points" based slots (down from 10).
......

So I was confused [wrong ].... 7 'points slots', Chairman's, Engineering Inspiration and Rookie All-Star Award(3 slots), what are the other 5 slots?

[nlknauss]

Originally Posted by Dad1279

So I was confused [wrong ].... 7 'points slots', Chairman's, Engineering Inspiration and Rookie All-Star Award(3 slots), what are the other 5 slots?

Not a problem. Here's what the 18 WC qualification spots in MAR look like now:

• 3 Slots claimed by teams at outside regions (2607, 225, 2016)
• 3 MAR Region Winners
• 2 MAR Region Chairman's Award Winners
• 2 MAR Engineering Inspiration
• 1 MAR Rookie Allstar
• 7 District Point Qualifiers (was 10)

It is rather disappointing to see spots disappear at outside regionals. I agree with what Scott seems to be saying in that it does take away from the competition within our region by earning points and at the region championship. Hopefully this is addressed one way or another before next year.

[Akash Rastogi]

11 just got Chairman's at Hawaii. One more MAR spot!

[nlknauss]

Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi

11 just got Chairman's at Hawaii. One more MAR spot!

Congrats 11! Well deserved for your world-class program!

Here's the list of remaining world championships qualification spots:

• 4 Slots claimed by teams at outside regions (2607, 225, 2016, 11)
• 3 MAR Region Winners
• 2 MAR Region Chairman's Award Winners
• 2 MAR Engineering Inspiration
• 1 MAR Rookie Allstar
• 6 District Point Qualifiers (was 10)

[AGPapa]

Originally Posted by scottandme

looks like everyone with 56 points or above should be a mathematical lock for MARCMP.

Unfortunately it seems like the mathematically highest cutoff is actually 59 points. I didn't make the Mathematical Cutoff sheet the most user-friendly and the top section has to be manually updated.

[quad]

FYI,for the future.
Noticed this on the previous clinching calculation also, but is the BR DCA team and any DCA teams ranked below the current team the clinch calculation is being calculated for being taken into account? They would take up slots and the cutoff would be less than 55.

[AGPapa]

Originally Posted by quad

FYI,for the future.
Noticed this on the previous clinching calculation also, but is the BR DCA team and any DCA teams ranked below the current team the clinch calculation is being calculated for being taken into account? They would take up slots and the cutoff would be less than 55.

The "teams needed to tie" right now is 55-(current rank). I assumed that the BR DCA team will be ranked above the cutoff. So far in MAR every DCA winner has been above the point cutoff so this seems like a fair assumption to make. I suppose that I could(should) skip over the DCA teams when calculating the points needed to tie.

Currently the 55th rank team has 48 points. I'm expecting a few teams to jump them (293, 1089 and 4361) and bring the cutoff up to about 50 points.