Missed Inbounder Assists

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Originally Posted by magnets

I agree that this will be an issue. It's really tough for refs to see everything, and if a team notices that assists aren't being counted properly, what are the refs supposed to do? They aren't just going to trust what a random team member saw, and even if there is amazingly clear video evidence, they can't look at it. It's also not right to just say no to a team who says a match score is wrong. A replay might be a possible, but it ruins any surprise match strategy, and often doesn't give teams enough time to reset their robot.

Just out of curiosity, what's the policy on changing scores? Can a score be undone during a match? After a match? In eliminations/qualifications? Autonomous in teleop?

Referees can and do adjust scores after matches. Once the cycle has ended the change has to wait until the end of the game. There were a number of matches at Queen City in which we adjusted scores after matches. Sometimes we would hit the possession, score and cycle buttons in succession and realize the possession didn't take. We would note the cycle number and add the possession after the match was done. A few times we weren't sure if a team got a possession (mostly it was when they shot or passes just as they crossed from one zone to the next) so we entered the cycle and asked over the radio if there was a possession, fixing any discrepancy after the match.

The biggest problem is that the pads have a bit of lag, and you have to toggle between the foul and scoring/possession screens. Most of the time the pads worked well, but they wouldn't always register a button press. The time spent looking down to insure the button was pressed meant time not looking at the field. If we spend even more extra time trying to figure out if there was another possession or not then the new cycle wouldn't start promptly. I would guess about 10-12 times we went back and added possessions that added assists.

In most of those cases (maybe all of them) at least one of the teams came up to ask about it, and usually I would just turn and say something like "The third assist in your second cycle? Yeah we got it. We are adjusting the score." and they wouldn't even wait in the question box. I don't have an accurate accounting of how many assists we missed (I am sure we missed some) but there were probably a half dozen more times when teams came up and we said "Team xxxx did not get all the way into the white zone before they made their truss shot, so you didn't get three assists." Also, a couple of times when we asked each other "Did that shot go over the truss?" (there were a lot of high balls shot to human players that were above the posts and it was not always clear) the human player of the opposing alliance said "Yes it did."

As has been said in a few previous threads, it would probably have been better if the fifth referee had been included from the start and given a pad to enter fouls. I was the truss referee from Friday afternoon on, and it would have simplified things. But I highly recommend asking about missed possessions right after the match if you think you were shorted. There is a good chance that the referees will remember then and be able to correct it.