2014 MAR Standings

[scottandme]

Originally Posted by Brandon_L

I don't see it mentioned anywhere in the district rules, but I'm assuming if a team that already is qualified for worlds (say 225) were to rank high enough to take one of the remaining points slots they would be passed over instead of the slot vanishing correct?

That was the case in 2012 and 2013. We were skipped over in 2012, and 11 was skipped over in 2013. Points slots were/are? the only ones that "trickle down". In this instance 225 wouldn't eat another slot, but you can essentially assign 11,225,2016,2607 point slots #1 through #4 right now.

I have no idea what will happen if one of those teams ends up winning MAR Championship as well. The document is lacking in a number of very important details, and seems to be only half-complete in current form. You would think that whoever made the document would have taken the time to think through and address all possible scenarios...

[maxweberh]

That is part of the inspire. Do well in MAR, then the next year, fly outside your zone and do well. New reports in that the upstart Miss Daisy 341, flew to the NY Tundra, trimmed Ice Kings of GRR, but failed to capture the giant snowball.

I am not even sure what that last part meant, but the first part I think my point isn't being grasped. I am not complaining about our lack of funding or the unfairness of that. I am saying that if slots at MAR are being secured through awards and wins outside of the district, it is not fair to anyone. We have a situation where "slots to CMP" given at regionals are awarded by Regionals but the actual slots come from MAR's "slot pool" thereby destroying more slots to CMP in total. Not only does this destroy another team's chance to get to CMP at whatever Regional they came from, but it also makes it harder for me (as a competitor at MAR champs) to get to CMP.

[Brandon_L]

Originally Posted by scottandme

I have no idea what will happen if one of those teams ends up winning MAR Championship as well. The document is lacking in a number of very important details, and seems to be only half-complete in current form. You would think that whoever made the document would have taken the time to think through and address all possible scenarios...

My assumption was that it would eat up the winners slot, but that would be based off the old rules I believe.

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The week 5 ranks have been posted to the MAR website,

All 6 event summaries as well as the cumulative ranking points are available.

If you believe there are errors, please let MAR know asap (you can post here or PM)

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All of the following has been stated before in previous posts in this thread but by re-stating it all here hopefully it will clarify things wrt qualification to FIRST CMP:

This year MAR has 18 FIRST World CMP slots allocated.
MAR has 3 pre-qualified teams, all are HOF teams.

Of the 18 District slots, 8 are for "Designated Awards": 2 CA, 2 EI, 1 RAS, 3 MAR CMP winners. (There can be one additional slot taken if the Winning Alliance had a substitute team included.) These slots cannot got to any other team, in particular, the winning alliance slots are not "passed down" to the ranking slot pool if a member of the winning alliance has qualified for the Worlds in another way.

Of the 10/9 "Ranking Slots", they are reduced by the number of non-pre-qualified teams that have qualified at a Regional competition. After recalculating the Rankings to include the MAR CMP results (3x weighting), remaining "Ranking Slots" are offered to teams in rank order, skipping over teams that have already qualified in ANY manner, until all the remaining slots are filled.

Eg. If a MAR team wins an Regional, there will be one less "Ranking Slot". If that same team also wins CA and is on the winning alliance at the MAR CMP, then MAR can send a max of 16 teams instead of 18 (+ the 3 prequalified teams)

[Lil' Lavery]

Teams currently registered for MAR CMP
https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index....14&event=mrcmp

[Brandon_L]

As the first team on the "waitlist", we haven't received an invite yet so I think its safe to assume no one has officially declined as of now.

[Johnbot]

Originally Posted by Brandon_L

As the first team on the "waitlist", we haven't received an invite yet so I think its safe to assume no one has officially declined as of now.

While I don't know if we have "officially" declined yet, I can guarantee you that 2607 will not be attending the MAR Championship (we are crating our robot tonight), so it is safe to assume that you will receive an invite at some point.

[Hallry]

Originally Posted by Johnbot

While I don't know if we have "officially" declined yet, I can guarantee you that 2607 will not be attending the MAR Championship (we are crating our robot tonight), so it is safe to assume that you will receive an invite at some point.

Gracious Professionalism right there - huge props to 2607 for letting other teams play at MAR Champs.

[Link07]

Of the 55 teams qualified for MAR Champs at this time (not including spots that will most likely be passed down due to declines):

• 34 teams attended MAR Champs in 2013 (2 of these teams have stated intentions to decline their 2014 MAR Champs Spot)
  
  
• 8 teams Qualified for MAR Champs in 2013 but declined their spot (4 of these teams are already registered for MAR Champs 2014)
  
  
• 2 teams are rookies
  
  
• 11 teams did not qualify for MAR Champs in 2013

[Lil' Lavery]

For other bubble watchers, 103 is one of the 50 teams currently listed as registered for the event.

[scottandme]

We're up to 50 teams registered for MARCMP. No teams have been pulled from the "waitlist" yet. All 3 HoF teams (103, 341, 365) are registered, as well as 3 of the 4 teams that qualified for World Champs via an outside Regional (11, 225, 2016).

Teams that have yet to register:
#17 - 2607 (qualified for worlds, stated that they don't plan on attending)
#23 - 4954
#35 - 303
#38 - 4361
#41 - 1495

Teams on the "waitlist"
#55 - 2495
#56 - 2729
#57 - 708
#58 - 1712

The point system did a pretty poor job this year if those 4 might not make it to DCMP. They all had the unfortunate fate of registering for 3 of the deeper events in Hatboro, Lenape, and SCH.

[Brandon_L]

Originally Posted by scottandme

The point system did a pretty poor job this year if those 4 might not make it to DCMP. They all had the unfortunate fate of registering for 3 of the deeper events in Hatboro, Lenape, and SCH.

This wait is wrecking my nerves. On the bright side, not as many declines as last season. Especially bright because of the game this year. Should be pretty competitive, hopefully nearly every qualification match is as exciting as elims.

[Steven Donow]

Originally Posted by scottandme

The point system did a pretty poor job this year if those 4 might not make it to DCMP. They all had the unfortunate fate of registering for 3 of the deeper events in Hatboro, Lenape, and SCH.

I wouldn't say that it's an issue with the point system so much as an issue with imbalance in regards to event difficulty.

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In 2013 there were 8 declines, 4 were already qualified for FIRST CMP, the other 4 were between rank 35-50. Went 15 deep into the rankings to fill the 8 slots. Perhaps a large factor was that there were only 3-4 days between the last event and the start of MAR CMP, teams replacing the declines had even less time.

[scottandme]

Originally Posted by Steven Donow

I wouldn't say that it's an issue with the point system so much as an issue with imbalance in regards to event difficulty.

No doubt - hence the comment about HH, LEN, SCH. But I also think the changes to the point system were detrimental to sorting by robot quality. More points for 3rd round selections means that many teams ranked above the cutoff earned half or more of their total points from winning an event as one of the last picks. The changes to the award points were also detrimental (except for awarding points for EI & DCA). I wouldn't say that winning Quality/Industrial Design/Engineering Excellence is the equivalent of winning the Spirit/GP Award.