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For everyone saying that the ranking accuracy is worse or that elimination upsets are more frequent this year, I challenge you to provide evidence to support your assertion. Not anecdotes, not hypotheses, not thought experiments. Actual data to support your claim.

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For those that say inspiration is not about winning, think of the people you want to inspire as potential "fans". Winning teams have more fans than losing teams. I would be willing to bet that the University of Alabama could pull more fans to a game than the New Mexico State Aggies.
If that's your argument, isn't it a zero-sum game? Someone will always win and someone will always lose.
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For everyone saying that the ranking accuracy is worse or that elimination upsets are more frequent this year, I challenge you to provide evidence to support your assertion. Not anecdotes, not hypotheses, not thought experiments. Actual data to support your claim.
This is extremely difficult to do, even with full scouting data - no one / two / three stats correlates perfectly with overall robot quality particularly with a multiple role game. You can't even accurately say how many points a robot scored in a match - who gets the assist points? I have data, if you have an idea what good evidence would be for this claim, let me know and I'll work on it.
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For everyone saying that the ranking accuracy is worse or that elimination upsets are more frequent this year, I challenge you to provide evidence to support your assertion. Not anecdotes, not hypotheses, not thought experiments. Actual data to support your claim.
This data may be difficult to come by, since the results have been inconsistent across events. In my experience, where the foul-heavy, inconsistent, or even incompetent refing is taking place, there are upsets and anomalous rankings. Where these are not a problem, rankings are accurate and high seeds go far in elims. But as you said this is anecdotal, and even the preliminary judgments of foul prevalence, inconsistency, inappropriate rankings, and upsets will be somewhat subjective unless backed up by data, before any such conclusion can be drawn with confidence. Some suggestions would be to look at, for each event, Winning Margin without foul points stats, stats on whether red or blue won elims matches, stats on declines in selections, what sort of actions determined upset results (clean match, fouls, etc.), and things of that sort. Perhaps a correlation can be drawn, perhaps not.
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