2014 MAR Standings

[AGPapa]

Originally Posted by AGPapa

I'm not sure if the new points model did a good job sorting out the teams. Good teams like 2729, 2495, 708 and 1712 are under this 55 point cutoff. Hopefully they'll still qualify for MAR champs because they have good robots that deserve to be there. I'm not sure if the old points model would have done a better job; once BR ends I'll recalculate the rankings with last year's point systems to see the difference in who qualifies.

I recalculated the rankings with the old points system. With the old system teams 2495, 2729 and 708 would qualify for MAR champs while 2577, 3142 and 5113 would not. Additionally, 1712 would be the first team on the "waitlist".

[ezygmont708]

Unfortunately for 708... We don't have a choice not to compete week 1 at Hatboro-Horsham as the event host. Fingers crossed for us and our friends who are on the edge of the bubble!

2495 | 2729 | 1712

[Brandon_L]

Just received the Invite email.

[nlknauss]

Originally Posted by ezygmont708

Unfortunately for 708... We don't have a choice not to compete week 1 at Hatboro-Horsham as the event host. Fingers crossed for us and our friends who are on the edge of the bubble!

2495 | 2729 | 1712

Thanks Eric, keeping our fingers crossed for you too.

I just received an invite from HQ, so we're in. Not sure who is officially out, but we're in.

Originally Posted by AGPapa

I recalculated the rankings with the old points system. With the old system teams 2495, 2729 and 708 would qualify for MAR champs while 2577, 3142 and 5113 would not. Additionally, 1712 would be the first team on the "waitlist".

The point ranking system is interesting this year to say the least. I wonder what last year's results would look like with this year's match outcomes? Neither ranking system accounts for strength of schedule but I'm just wondering if the nature of this year's game has a lot to do with it in how some of the role player type robots have found a niche and a part of this year's game.

Nate

[ezygmont708]

We just received an invite email from FIRST HQ... Looking into it now... Not sure where the declines came from...

Here's to hoping for 1712, I really do hope that one more slot opens up!

[PayneTrain]

Originally Posted by scottandme

We're up to 50 teams registered for MARCMP. No teams have been pulled from the "waitlist" yet. All 3 HoF teams (103, 341, 365) are registered, as well as 3 of the 4 teams that qualified for World Champs via an outside Regional (11, 225, 2016).

Teams that have yet to register:
#17 - 2607 (qualified for worlds, stated that they don't plan on attending)
#23 - 4954
#35 - 303
#38 - 4361
#41 - 1495

Teams on the "waitlist"
#55 - 2495
#56 - 2729
#57 - 708
#58 - 1712

The point system did a pretty poor job this year if those 4 might not make it to DCMP. They all had the unfortunate fate of registering for 3 of the deeper events in Hatboro, Lenape, and SCH.

Fans of dark comedy can also look at the foul-adjusted records of these teams, infer changes in points, then laugh/cry.

[Lil' Lavery]

Thanks for all the friendly support for our team here. But it shouldn't extend only to 1712. I'm rooting for 4373, who's right behind us in line, to make it as well. They were a terrific alliance captain at SCH and there's no way we upset the #1 alliance without them.

[scottandme]

Registration just shuffled around a minute ago, with 2016 and 3340 dropping off the list of registered teams. We have 49 officially, with 3 teams saying they got invites who aren't on the list yet (2495, 2729, 708). So that makes 52.

Teams about the cut still missing:
4954 (#23)
303 (#35)
4361 (#38)

So if all those teams register, we're all full. If any of those decline, the order is:

1712 (#58)
4373 (#60)
4653 (#61)

Everyone below #61 is out of the running unless any currently registered teams drop out. Surprised to see 303 still missing, since they have been eligible to register since Clifton ended (week 3). Anybody have an idea about them?

[AGPapa]

Originally Posted by nlknauss

The point ranking system is interesting this year to say the least. I wonder what last year's results would look like with this year's match outcomes? Neither ranking system accounts for strength of schedule but I'm just wondering if the nature of this year's game has a lot to do with it in how some of the role player type robots have found a niche and a part of this year's game.

I ran the new system with last year's results. If we have a 55 team MAR championship like this year then teams 4460, 203 and 4653 would be in with the new system while teams 357, 1647 and 223 would not be. Due to teams declining their invitation to MAR champs 4460 and 203 were invited last year anyway. 203 did not attend the region championship.

[Steven Donow]

Originally Posted by scottandme

Registration just shuffled around a minute ago, with 2016 and 3340 dropping off the list of registered teams. We have 49 officially, with 3 teams saying they got invites who aren't on the list yet (2495, 2729, 708). So that makes 52.

Teams about the cut still missing:
4954 (#23)
303 (#35)
4361 (#38)

So if all those teams register, we're all full. If any of those decline, the order is:

1712 (#58)
4373 (#60)
4653 (#61)

Everyone below #61 is out of the running unless any currently registered teams drop out. Surprised to see 303 still missing, since they have been eligible to register since Clifton ended (week 3). Anybody have an idea about them?

The main question is would they still be allowed to submit for Chairmans at DCMP without registering robot wise?

[Hallry]

Originally Posted by Steven Donow

The main question is would they still be allowed to submit for Chairmans at DCMP without registering robot wise?

I don't see why not. 321 won EI at the MAR DCMP last year without competing robot wise (they didn't make the point cut-off).

[Ken Best]

Of the 18 District slots, 8 are for "Designated Awards": 2 CA, 2 EI, 1 RAS, 3 MAR CMP winners. (There can be one additional slot taken if the Winning Alliance had a substitute team included.) These slots cannot got to any other team, in particular, the winning alliance slots are not "passed down" to the ranking slot pool if a member of the winning alliance has qualified for the Worlds in another way.

If the MARCMP CA, EI are the 1st designated award teams, how are the two second teams decided?

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by Ken Best

If the MARCMP CA, EI are the 1st designated award teams, how are the two second teams decided?

Two Chairman's Awards and two EI awards are given out at the event.

[Ken Best]

Missed that one, Thanks.

[nlknauss]

Originally Posted by AGPapa

I ran the new system with last year's results. If we have a 55 team MAR championship like this year then teams 4460, 203 and 4653 would be in with the new system while teams 357, 1647 and 223 would not be. Due to teams declining their invitation to MAR champs 4460 and 203 were invited last year anyway. 203 did not attend the region championship.

Thanks for posting this Antonio, there doesn't seem to be a huge difference in the point distribution and rankings. As as mentioned in earlier posts in this thread, it's tough to factor strength of schedule/event into the scoring system. Hopefully the points ranking committee is going to reconvene after seeing the system in action after a year and talk over some of the pros and cons. Strength of events is something that is larger than just what we see here in MAR, you see it are regionals and probably other Districts too. Maybe it will even out a little if District swapping comes to us in the future? Will certainly be tough to balance.