Michigan State Championship

[jlmcmchl]

Originally Posted by nikeairmancurry

Not sure who this is.. lol

I think they meant 314, but I'm not sure.

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard

#1- 1718-67-68
#2- 33-469-2474
#3- 3539-107-51
#4- 2337-27-245
#5- 910-319-3641
#6- 2054-70-494
#7- 1918-1023-2137
#8- 4967-548-314

... nevermind.

I'm willing to bet that the most of the alliance captains and first picks are in elims, but none of them will be allied with the one you specify.

[Kevin Leonard]

Originally Posted by nikeairmancurry

Not sure who this is.. lol

Oops! That's a New England team. I meant 314, but then I saw later that I didn't have them in there... Nevermind. That was dumb.

#1- 1718-67-68
#2- 33-469-2474
#3- 3539-107-51
#4- 2337-27-245
#5- 910-314-3641
#6- 2054-70-494
#7- 1918-1023-3534
#8- 4967-548-2137

Adjusted slightly.
That was one of the less intelligent things I've said on Delphi lately. And that might be saying something.

[Arhowk]

Good luck to all the awesome teams going! Going to be a great competition. 1684 got knocked down incredibly low due to an unfortunate match schedule at our first two districts. Of course we do great and almost knock off the #1 seed alliance with HOT and NC Gears (that dang auton... to be fair, we probably would have lost the third match) at our third district. Also a shame that 3535 didn't make it either, barely hit the cutoff.

[JosephC]

Here's my go at it.

#1 2337-1718
#2- 33-910
#3- 67-469
#4- 314-3098
#5- 1023-3539
#6- 494-70
#7- 2137-68
#8- 2054-1918

I'm not even going to attempt to come up with the second picks.

2337 will seed very high due to their ability to get assist points, picking 1718
33 and 910 won Troy together
Everyone knows about the 67 and 469 alliance
314 and 3098 seem like they'd go well together
1023 and 3539 also go well together
Martian double combo nearly won Bedford together
2137 and 68 fit well together
2054 and 1918 are the West Michigan wombo combo

[dodar]

Is there a link to a webcast?

[Josh Fox]

It looks like DPTV may only be broadcasting Saturday according to this website, and I haven't heard anything about an additional webcast. Hopefully there is one.

[Chris_Ely]

Originally Posted by dodar

Is there a link to a webcast?

Code Red has two feeds on their website. I think the FiM twitch feed may be up once Quals start the the afternoon. TBA doesn't yet have any links.

[Joe Ross]

Match 96 looks awesome.

[Adam Freeman]

We are ALREADY missing 100 assist points from our ranking based on video replay of our 3 matches.

It appears to be 50pts each from match 1 and 14. Match 30 appeared to be scored correctly.

I HOPE our prestigious ref crew gets their act together the rest of the weekend.

If anyone wants to recount assist, feel free to find me tomorrow to review film. For learning purposes of course.

Adam

Edit: This is not correct. I am an idiot!

[RufflesRidge]

Originally Posted by Adam Freeman

We are ALREADY missing 100 assist points from our ranking based on video replay of our 3 matches.

It appears to be 50pts each from match 1 and 14. Match 30 appeared to be scored correctly.

I HOPE our prestigious ref crew gets their act together the rest of the weekend.

If anyone wants to recount assist, feel free to find me tomorrow to review film. For learning purposes of course.

Adam

100 points in 3 matches sounded like a lot. So I got curious.

Unfortunately I cannot take you up on your offer of an in person review as I am not at MSC. However the FiM Youtube account has posted video of almost all of the matches and all 3 of 67's matches so I can review from my couch. Here's a cycle-by-cycle account of all possessions I see in the video and the expected assist counts.

Match 1 - Cycle 1 - 51 in Red, 67 in Blue and white - 2 Assists
Match 1 - Cycle 2 - 51 Red, 2851 Red, 67 Blue - 2 Assists
Match 1 - Cycle 3 - 51 Red, 2851 Red, 67 Blue - 2 Assists
Match 1 - Cycle 4 - 51 Red, 2851 Red, 67 Blue - 2 Assists
Match 1 - Cycle 5 - 2851 Red, 67 Blue - 2 Assists
Match 14 - Cycle 1 - 4819 Red, 3539 Red, 3539 White, 67 Blue - 3 Assists
Match 14 - Cycle 2 - 4819 Red, 3539 Red, 3539 White, 67 White, 67 Blue - 3 Assists
Match 30 - Cycle 1 - 3534 Blue, 3534 White, 67 Red - 2 Assists
Match 30 - Cycle 2 - 3534 Blue, 3534 White, 67 White, 67 Red - 2 Assists

Total Expected Assist points: 130
67 Assist Points in Ranking Table: 130

What'd I miss?

EDIT: I will note that the first and last cycles only showed goal lights for a single assist. The last cycle was completed as time expired so the assist may have been entered. I presume the first cycle was corrected based on my total matching the total in the rankings table.

[Adam Freeman]

Originally Posted by RufflesRidge

100 points in 3 matches sounded like a lot. So I got curious.

Unfortunately I cannot take you up on your offer of an in person review as I am not at MSC. However the FiM Youtube account has posted video of almost all of the matches and all 3 of 67's matches so I can review from my couch. Here's a cycle-by-cycle account of all possessions I see in the video and the expected assist counts.

Match 1 - Cycle 1 - 51 in Red, 67 in Blue and white - 2 Assists
Match 1 - Cycle 2 - 51 Red, 2851 Red, 67 Blue - 2 Assists
Match 1 - Cycle 3 - 51 Red, 2851 Red, 67 Blue - 2 Assists
Match 1 - Cycle 4 - 51 Red, 2851 Red, 67 Blue - 2 Assists
Match 1 - Cycle 5 - 2851 Red, 67 Blue - 2 Assists
Match 14 - Cycle 1 - 4819 Red, 3539 Red, 3539 White, 67 Blue - 3 Assists
Match 14 - Cycle 2 - 4819 Red, 3539 Red, 3539 White, 67 White, 67 Blue - 3 Assists
Match 30 - Cycle 1 - 3534 Blue, 3534 White, 67 Red - 2 Assists
Match 30 - Cycle 2 - 3534 Blue, 3534 White, 67 White, 67 Red - 2 Assists

Total Expected Assist points: 130
67 Assist Points in Ranking Table: 130

What'd I miss?

EDIT: I will note that the first and last cycles only showed goal lights for a single assist. The last cycle was completed as time expired so the assist may have been entered. I presume the first cycle was corrected based on my total matching the total in the rankings table.

You are correct. I made an error in my calculations, I was double counting the first assist. I was a very long day.

Unfortunately we have only ourselves to blame for the situation we are in.

So I apologize to the refs, they are scoring correctly.

WE will try to get our act together tomorrow and get our heads back in the game.

Going to sleep before I screw something else up today.

[Vikingtech2054]

Originally Posted by Adam Freeman

We are ALREADY missing 100 assist points from our ranking based on video replay of our 3 matches.

It appears to be 50pts each from match 1 and 14. Match 30 appeared to be scored correctly.

I HOPE our prestigious ref crew gets their act together the rest of the weekend.

If anyone wants to recount assist, feel free to find me tomorrow to review film. For learning purposes of course.

Adam

Adam I feel the same way right now and it is very frustrating. I know that the refs are not perfect and they are human but some huge mistakes are being made.


We should have won match 18 but it was counted as a lose due to some bad judgments.
-469 was called for a penalty for "possessing an opponents ball" when the opposing human player clearly threw it into 469's robot
-During that same cycle we had clearly done three assist which was only counted as 2. This had mad a total of a 40 point swing so we lost.
-I had reviewed the match multiple times and had never seen a ref raise a flag. I understand there could have discussion afterward but there was not clear indication of a ref raising concern.

The cycle that starts at 1:37 is where all of this went down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sz6YgvPepU

[Don Wright]

Originally Posted by Vikingtech2054

Adam I feel the same way right now and it is very frustrating. I know that the refs are not perfect and they are human but some huge mistakes are being made.


We should have won match 18 but it was counted as a lose due to some bad judgments.
-469 was called for a penalty for "possessing an opponents ball" when the opposing human player clearly threw it into 469's robot
-During that same cycle we had clearly done three assist which was only counted as 2. This had mad a total of a 40 point swing so we lost.
-I had reviewed the match multiple times and had never seen a ref raise a flag. I understand there could have discussion afterward but there was not clear indication of a ref raising concern.

The cycle that starts at 1:37 is where all of this went down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sz6YgvPepU

I thought that too but rewatching it I think we get called for possesion midway through the match (at 1:50 of the video) when we bump the opposing alliance ball to the corner. The center ref raises the flag about 5 seconds later and walks to a touchscreen and enters the penalty.

[Vikingtech2054]

Originally Posted by Don Wright

I thought that too but rewatching it I think we get called for possesion midway through the match (at 1:50 of the video) when we bump the opposing alliance ball to the corner. The center ref raises the flag about 5 seconds later and walks to a touchscreen and enters the penalty.

I see it now that you pointed it out but I don't necessarily agree with the call. It was bumped one time and the opposing robot happened to eject the ball as 469 was driving forward. All in all it is not a big deal its just something that has to be dealt with and move on from it.

[Nyxyxylyth]

Originally Posted by Vikingtech2054

During that same cycle we had clearly done three assist which was only counted as 2.

Bummer... I didn't notice that assist was missed in the heat of the moment.

http://youtu.be/0sz6YgvPepU?t=1m32s

1:38 Inbound to 3175
1:52 Pickup by 5162 in blue zone
2:02 transfer to 469 (5162 and 469 both in white zone)
2:16 469 scores in red zone

Still would have lost due to the foul, but getting credit for those assist points would have softened that blow.

We can only hope that future games give the refs much, much less to do.