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Re: When will Divisions be released?

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I seem to remember them only getting stuck in the goal in one match. I guess we didn't beat them straightup the other match...

The ONLY explanation is that we were better in those two matches!
I hate to quote you to you, Adam, but your tone sounds a bit different a few years later:

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With regards to the final matches....just because we won the first two matches, doesn't mean that 1114, 469, and 2041 would not have been able to beat us if we kept playing. We were very fortunate in the last match that 2041 was stuck in the goal for half the match.

1114 was a scoring machine. 469 has a robot design that will go down in history as one of the most awesome designs ever. Not to mention both are great teams with awesome strategists. Given more time (one more match?), they would have figured out how to win. Then we would have had to adjust to those changes.

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I'd like to say both alliances were evenly matched, but I'm not sure I can say that. I have been trying to figure out how we defeated them for 5 days now, and there isn't one thing that really jumps out at me. I think we suprised them in the first match and had some luck in the second one. After that it was over.
Two matches is not a lot. I don't think it's ridiculous to suggest that luck COULD have tipped the balance of the series (though the assertion that it MUST have been luck doesn't hold water).
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I hate to quote you to you, Adam, but your tone sounds a bit different a few years later:



Two matches is not a lot. I don't think it's ridiculous to suggest that luck COULD have tipped the balance of the series (though the assertion that it MUST have been luck doesn't hold water).
I think adam dropped this on his way out > /s
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Re: When will Divisions be released?

I wanted to comment on the 2010 World Finals matches as a team that played front Bot at IRI with 469 and 330 and 399.
We had to play countless HOF, former WC, and Powerhouse teams on the way to barely winning IRI that year.
Playing the front is not as easy as it would seem.
Having to score soccer balls, maneuver around a defender, box out a defender in order to keep balls cycled into goals, staying out of the way of a cycled ball, drive and steer with only a 1 CIM/1 FP AM Planetary setup per transmission was really tough.
I believe our record in elims was 6-2-1, having to score at least 20 balls in some matches just to barely win.

Off the top of my head, we played against 1086,1114,2056,1625,67,148, 910, 343, etc.
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Re: When will Divisions be released?

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I wanted to comment on the 2010 World Finals matches as a team that played front Bot at IRI with 469 and 330 and 399.
We had to play countless HOF, former WC, and Powerhouse teams on the way to barely winning IRI that year.
Playing the front is not as easy as it would seem.
Having to score soccer balls, maneuver around a defender, box out a defender in order to keep balls cycled into goals, staying out of the way of a cycled ball, drive and steer with only a 1 CIM/1 FP AM Planetary setup per transmission was really tough.
I believe our record in elims was 6-2-1, having to score at least 20 balls in some matches just to barely win.

Off the top of my head, we played against 1086,1114,2056,1625,67,148, 910, 343, etc.
Man...that was an amazingly fun and difficult run... I still have the videos online...

Q1.1
Q1.2
SF1.1
SF1.2
SF1.3
F1
F2
F3
F4

I think it felt even better after the disappointment from Einstein.
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Man...that was an amazingly fun and difficult run... I still have the videos online...

Q1.1
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F2
F3
F4

I think it felt even better after the disappointment from Einstein.
Thanks for posting these.
It was however painful to watch our limpy robot reaching the finals. Our kicker broke in the finals so everything had to be pushed in, our auto mode was messed up with no time to fix. I now remember trying to sit out and bring in 399. Except 330 said they were broke completely, and instead they sat out.
And yes, I remember Paul yelling at people on the mezzanine above warning them about cheating, pointing the direction that the ball would fall from your robot.
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I hate to quote you to you, Adam, but your tone sounds a bit different a few years later:
It has! Four years ago, I was just happy to get away with the victory.

Your tone would change too, if everytime an achievement of your's came up it was defined as being "lucky" or the result of the Curie Curse.

We know how much of an upset, but sometime we want credit for not rolling over an letting them walk right past us to the win.

We had a strategy, we executed it in the first match. We won. That wasn't nessecarily luck that we beat them in the first match.

In the second match, luck swung to our side, 2041 got stuck in the goal and 294 made sure they stayed there, we still had to play the rest of the match. 1114 was still scoring balls...and the match was close and not decided until the end.

A lot of matches are won and lost every year. Some are lucky others are not. But, after the initial analysis of the matches is completed, the winners are usually granted the crown and deemed the better alliance in those matches, by the majority of people. I'm not sure we have been deemed that, yet.

Or maybe I am just getting sensitive and cranky as I get older.
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It has! Four years ago, I was just happy to get away with the victory.

Your tone would change too, if everytime an achievement of your's came up it was defined as being "lucky" or the result of the Curie Curse.

We know how much of an upset, but sometime we want credit for not rolling over an letting them walk right past us to the win.

We had a strategy, we executed it in the first match. We won. That wasn't nessecarily luck that we beat them in the first match.

In the second match, luck swung to our side, 2041 got stuck in the goal and 294 made sure they stayed there, we still had to play the rest of the match. 1114 was still scoring balls...and the match was close and not decided until the end.

A lot of matches are won and lost every year. Some are lucky others are not. But, after the initial analysis of the matches is completed, the winners are usually granted the crown and deemed the better alliance in those matches, by the majority of people. I'm not sure we have been deemed that, yet.

Or maybe I am just getting sensitive and cranky as I get older.
Regardless of what happened in the finals, the fact that your alliance made it to the finals indicated that you did not get "lucky" with the championship. I certainly wish you didn't have to prove it to people who didn't think you deserved it, but that's how CD seems to be these days.
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Your tone would change too, if everytime an achievement of your's came up it was defined as being "lucky" or the result of the Curie Curse.

Or maybe I am just getting sensitive and cranky as I get older.
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They aren't that soft and cuddly...
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Your tone would change too, if everytime an achievement of your's came up it was defined as being "lucky" or the result of the Curie Curse.

Or maybe I am just getting sensitive and cranky as I get older.
Someone I know defines luck as a combination of hard work and determination. So by those metrics, yes you were lucky, and you guys work extremely hard and are determined to do very well. And I am glad you are in the hall of fame with us.

And I think we are all getting more sensitive and cranky.
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