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Re: It could happen to you (but we hope not)

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Originally Posted by AnonymousMarvin View Post
Specifically refereeing to match SF 2-2. The foul that was called on the other alliance was possession of the other alliances ball, when 4153 accidentally lowered their collector the wrong direction into 2996's robot. Not only was this a questionable call, but the foul was assessed as a technical foul, when the rule was changed to a regular foul, and that would have changed the outcome of the match. Not to take away what you guys did at colorado, you guys performed well, just some thoughts.
Fom what you have described, 4153 violated 2996's frame perimeter and somehow was deemed in possession of the opponent's ball.

Violating the frame perimeter is a G28 violation. G28 requires "deliberate or damaging" contact. It is also a technical foul.

I'm guessing that they decided to call a G12 technical instead of g28 because it would avoid the argument of whether the G28 violation was deliberate.

BTW: Assuming it was possession, and I am not sure it was (I would have called G28), I would have called it consequential because it was when the ball was in the process of being scored.

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...the expectation that the referees should know all the rules is preposterous.
The Head Ref should know the major rules that affect game play, like the dead ball rule. When a ball is trapped in an opponents robot, it is a Head Ref call, and not for the alliance to use their one "dead ball" card. After the technical is called (for extended possession), the dead ball call should follow fairly quickly. No team is going to intentionally hold onto the opponents ball. If they don't clear it right away, then something is wrong with their clearing mechanism. The only exception might be if they are against a wall or another bot, and the wall/bot is blocking the clearing.

At one regional, after a deflated ball, the Head Ref realized he made a bad call (did a cycle restart rather than having field personnel give the team another ball) after the match. I believe the match was replayed because of the call.

Knowing the details of the dead ball rule is particularly important because of the variations of when a new cycle starts, and when a freed ball needs to be cleared from play. Drivers and Human Players should know this too. I have seen dead balls cleared from play, only for the human player to inbound the ball.

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