When will Divisions be released?

[DavidG]

In regards to the 2010 Finals... I think that 1114, 469, and 2041 lost because they implemented a strategy that didn't utilize the strengths of 1114. 1114 was the best far/mid zone robot all year long.

When they got behind, and the balls were not in 469's cycle, they should have adjusted their strategy, and put 1114 in the mid zone to collect the balls and put them back in 469's loop. There was way too many balls in the middle and far zone, with nobody on 469's alliance there to put them in the goal (and therefore put them in the loop). Of course, when 2041 got stuck in the goal there wasn't much they could do.

That's just my 2 cents. I was only in 7th grade when I watched those matches... so don't take my opinion too seriously.

[Adam Freeman]

Originally Posted by Basel A

I hate to quote you to you, Adam, but your tone sounds a bit different a few years later:

It has! Four years ago, I was just happy to get away with the victory.

Your tone would change too, if everytime an achievement of your's came up it was defined as being "lucky" or the result of the Curie Curse.

We know how much of an upset, but sometime we want credit for not rolling over an letting them walk right past us to the win.

We had a strategy, we executed it in the first match. We won. That wasn't nessecarily luck that we beat them in the first match.

In the second match, luck swung to our side, 2041 got stuck in the goal and 294 made sure they stayed there, we still had to play the rest of the match. 1114 was still scoring balls...and the match was close and not decided until the end.

A lot of matches are won and lost every year. Some are lucky others are not. But, after the initial analysis of the matches is completed, the winners are usually granted the crown and deemed the better alliance in those matches, by the majority of people. I'm not sure we have been deemed that, yet.

Or maybe I am just getting sensitive and cranky as I get older.

[Yipyapper]

Originally Posted by Adam Freeman

It has! Four years ago, I was just happy to get away with the victory.

Your tone would change too, if everytime an achievement of your's came up it was defined as being "lucky" or the result of the Curie Curse.

We know how much of an upset, but sometime we want credit for not rolling over an letting them walk right past us to the win.

We had a strategy, we executed it in the first match. We won. That wasn't nessecarily luck that we beat them in the first match.

In the second match, luck swung to our side, 2041 got stuck in the goal and 294 made sure they stayed there, we still had to play the rest of the match. 1114 was still scoring balls...and the match was close and not decided until the end.

A lot of matches are won and lost every year. Some are lucky others are not. But, after the initial analysis of the matches is completed, the winners are usually granted the crown and deemed the better alliance in those matches, by the majority of people. I'm not sure we have been deemed that, yet.

Or maybe I am just getting sensitive and cranky as I get older.

Regardless of what happened in the finals, the fact that your alliance made it to the finals indicated that you did not get "lucky" with the championship. I certainly wish you didn't have to prove it to people who didn't think you deserved it, but that's how CD seems to be these days.

[MARS_James]

To bring this thread back to it's original purpose and not

Originally Posted by Joe Ross

Every year, people ask when will Divisions be released? FIRST typically doesn't provide advance notice. Here's when they have been released in the past.

In 2012 and 2013, the divisions were released on a Wednesday, 8 days before the beginning of the championship (4 days after the end of the Michigan and MAR championships).

It looks like we will not be meeting this deadline this year since we are sitting at 397 teams right now

[Hallry]

Originally Posted by MARS_James

It looks like we will not be meeting this deadline this year since we are sitting at 397 teams right now

I might be wrong, but IIRC Divisions were released last year (or the year before) before they were full, and teams were added on after they were announced.

[PayneTrain]

Originally Posted by Hallry

I might be wrong, but IIRC Divisions were released last year (or the year before) before they were full, and teams were added on after they were announced.

Coming from someone with firsthand experience, FIRST is adding teams up until the very last possible minute. The logistics surrounding releasing divisions don't have to fully cooperate with the logistics of plucking teams out of a lineup to ship them off to Missouri. I think they were taking teams off the waitlist last year through Friday the 19th and may actually have put in a couple more checks on the 22nd (yes, the Monday before champs). Division were released 5 days before the preliminary schedules were released

[Peter Matteson]

Originally Posted by Hallry

I might be wrong, but IIRC Divisions were released last year (or the year before) before they were full, and teams were added on after they were announced.

This has been done multiple times in the past where teams registered late for one reason or another.

They will add the late teams in at the end if there are any, but robots have to ship tomorrow so that deadline is pretty firm.

[JVN]

Originally Posted by Adam Freeman

Your tone would change too, if everytime an achievement of your's came up it was defined as being "lucky" or the result of the Curie Curse.

Or maybe I am just getting sensitive and cranky as I get older.

As the saying goes...
"Your blue banner can keep you warm at night."

[JesseK]

Originally Posted by JVN

As the saying goes...
"Your blue banner can keep you warm at night."

They aren't that soft and cuddly...

[PayneTrain]

Originally Posted by JVN

As the saying goes...
"Your blue banner can keep you warm at night."

Or if you're 67, stitch them together to make a village of tents.

[Dancin103]

Originally Posted by Adam Freeman

Your tone would change too, if everytime an achievement of your's came up it was defined as being "lucky" or the result of the Curie Curse.

Or maybe I am just getting sensitive and cranky as I get older.

Someone I know defines luck as a combination of hard work and determination. So by those metrics, yes you were lucky, and you guys work extremely hard and are determined to do very well. And I am glad you are in the hall of fame with us.

And I think we are all getting more sensitive and cranky.

[Steven Donow]

Originally Posted by Dominick Ferone

I don't remember where i heard it but memory serves the algorithm makes it so it splits up any alliance that won. So 118 and 1986 would be in different division for example. That way they don't just team up again since they know they work well together. I could be wrong and i think it had something to do with splitting up based on the week they won.

I believe that the winners for District Championships generally get split up.

[MARS_James]

Originally Posted by Dominick Ferone

I don't remember where i heard it but memory serves the algorithm makes it so it splits up any alliance that won. So 118 and 1986 would be in different division for example. That way they don't just team up again since they know they work well together. I could be wrong and i think it had something to do with splitting up based on the week they won.

Last year 744 was in the same division as 1772 who together won Orlando and 180 was in the same division as 1251 who won South Florida together

[Zach O]

Bringing this thread back on topic, it sounds like divisions will be out this afternoon

[MrTechCenter]

Originally Posted by Zach O

Bringing this thread back on topic, it sounds like divisions will be out this afternoon

This won't be the final list. FIRST is still waiting on 3 teams' invitations to be returned.