2014 Curie Division

[joelg236]

Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber

Elims are never counted in OPR/CCWM they throw off the calculation.

This. I'll probably manually put in "total record" to do more justice to teams, but win/loss should be quals only, for the same reason as OPR.

[Jared Russell]

Originally Posted by joelg236

This. I'll probably manually put in "total record" to do more justice to teams, but win/loss should be quals only, for the same reason as OPR.

I think that seeing a team's elimination record at a glance tells you meaningful information. A team with a 12-0 elimination record certainly looks different than one with an 0-2 eliminations record.

[OZ_341]

Originally Posted by Jared Russell

I think that seeing a team's elimination record at a glance tells you meaningful information. A team with a 12-0 elimination record certainly looks different than one with an 0-2 eliminations record.

Yup. I know our team always shines in eliminations and I would want to know this stat about the other teams I am scouting as well. We are 18 - 5 in eliminations in 2014.
Certain teams just come to life in the playoffs every year. Its an inherent trait that may or may not be robot related. Over the years local teams come to know this about a team, but it may not translate out to all of FRC. If you have the time I would add this stat.

[1629GaCo]

Team 1629 GaCo is looking forward to competing in the Curie Division. We absolutely cannot wait to Assist any and every team we play with!!! There are some stout teams in this division, but that is why you play the game!!!!! Let's break the curse Curie!!!

[mjc49]

Originally Posted by OZ_341

Yup. I know our team always shines in eliminations and I would want to know this stat about the other teams I am scouting as well. We are 18 - 5 in eliminations in 2014.
Certain teams just come to life in the playoffs every year. Its an inherent trait that may or may not be robot related. Over the years local teams come to know this about a team, but it may not translate out to all of FRC. If you have the time I would add this stat.

There is so much data to go through, but with this years game it isn't until the elimination rounds that most teams can really work together to take advantage of the top scoring opportunities.

Our team's OPR & CCWM really suffered during our last regional due to mechanical issues. The issues were sorted out by the time QTR finals started, and we performed at a much higher level. It will be interesting to find out what teams are looking for in an alliance partners and what data is in really important (i.e. Automous high goal accuracy) in their selection process.

[JohnFogarty]

I've formulated this list of priorities in my head after my 3 regional events this year. Palmetto, Orlando, & Peachtree.

1. Drivetrain Strength & Reliability. (I haven't seen a stronger DT than 6CIM drive at this point.)
2. Intake/Assist Device Reliability and intelligent use.
3. ball control, ball control, ball control. (If the ball is popping out of your robot constantly you aren't going to be high on a pick list.)
3. Auto Point Reliability. (1. High Hot, 2. High)
4. Ability to truss or score high under defense. (You can't easily do this without number 1.)
4.5. Good/Smart Drivers.
5. Having the least vulnerable scoring positions. (i.e scoring from in front of the low goal is a nearly un-defendable position though it can be made difficult to get to. scoring from further back can be an issue depending on your shooter design. I have gotten fairly good at figuring out where team's like to shoot and where one would need to be to prevent them from doing so. It works 75-80% of the time depending on the stoutness of the offensive robot's drivetrain.)

Anyone have any thoughts to add to my thinking?

[Wayne Doenges]

Originally Posted by JohnFogarty

I've formulated this list of priorities in my head after my 3 regional events this year. Palmetto, Orlando, & Peachtree.

1. Drivetrain Strength & Reliability. (I haven't seen a stronger DT than 6CIM drive at this point.)
2. Intake/Assist Device Reliability and intelligent use.
3. ball control, ball control, ball control. (If the ball is popping out of your robot constantly you aren't going to be high on a pick list.)
3. Auto Point Reliability. (1. High Hot, 2. High)
4. Ability to truss or score high under defense. (You ca't do this without number 1.)
4.5. Good/Smart Drivers.
5. Having the least vulnerable scoring positions. (i.e scoring from in front of the low goal is a nearly un-defendable position though it can be made difficult to get to. scoring from further back can be an issue depending on your shooter design. I have gotten fairly good at figuring out where team's like to shoot and where one would need to be to prevent them from doing so. It works 75-80% of the time depending on the stoutness of the offensive robot's drivetrain.)

Anyone have any thoughts to add to my thinking?

6. Never loose control of the ball.

[JohnFogarty]

Originally Posted by Wayne Doenges

6. Never loose control of the ball.

That's 3 on my list.

[Wayne Doenges]

Originally Posted by JohnFogarty

That's 3 on my list.

I was talking about a different type of ball contol. If you can move the ball across the field (even with truss shots) and keep control of it, you will do well.

[XaulZan11]

Originally Posted by JohnFogarty

4. Ability to truss or score high under defense. (You ca't do this without number 1.)

Speed and manuverabilty to find open shots can nullify the need for pure strength in your drivetrain. 33 did pretty well at MSC with 4 omni wheels.

[Abhishek R]

Originally Posted by XaulZan11

Speed and manuverabilty to find open shots can nullify the need for pure strength in your drivetrain. 33 did pretty well at MSC with 4 omni wheels.

And 1114 has 4 CIMS. You don't necessarily need 6 CIMS to be able to get around effectively, though it can help.

[JohnFogarty]

Originally Posted by Abhishek R

And 1114 has 4 CIMS. You don't necessarily need 6 CIMS to be able to get around effectively, though it can help.

I said that I haven't seen a DT stronger than a 6CIM.

I know that 4CIM DT's can be more than enough depending on who you are playing against plus taking the fact some teams have shifters into account is another factor. I've never played against 1114 this year so I don't know how easily we could push them around. What I have seen is that using Orlando as reference the only teams that stood up the most to our defense were 6CIM DT's. I will also say that your team's drive-train stood up a lot better than I expected to us in that one qualifying match.

I am in no way eliminating the fact that 4CIM drivetrains can be perfectly successful.

[DManz]

So am I under the impression that an alliance is 4 team members and that all 4 team members are titled as champions if they win the championship even in the scenario that the 4th robot does not play at all?

[Mason987]

Originally Posted by DManz

So am I under the impression that an alliance is 4 team members and that all 4 team members are titled as champions if they win the championship even in the scenario that the 4th robot does not play at all?

That is correct, but I have a feeling with this game we'll definitely be seeing all four robots play.

[joelg236]

Originally Posted by Mason987

That is correct, but I have a feeling with this game we'll definitely be seeing all four robots play.

Why? Damage or strategy?