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Re: [FRC Blog] Orlando Incident

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Originally Posted by FrankJ View Post
The issue at Orlando (at least how Franks blogs reads) is that the Head Referee thought the robot had not been reinspected after the modification. If that was the case then you get a red card. T6 black & white. What is not clear to me is how much & what they discussed with the DQed alliance before making that decision. I was not there & likewise please do not take my comments as judgmental.

What I hope comes out of this is First puts out re-inspection process that is workable. Franks' blog says they are working on this.
As I stated earlier in this thread, I disagree with this assessment.

As written, the implication of T6 is to keep teams that have never been inspected from coming onto the field:

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Originally Posted by T6
A Team is only permitted to participate in a Qualification or Elimination MATCH and receive Qualification Points if their ROBOT has passed Inspection. If it is discovered after the start of the MATCH that a ROBOT did not pass Inspection and the Team participated in the MATCH, the entire ALLIANCE receives a RED CARD for that MATCH.


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Originally Posted by Blue Box
Please take note of this rule. It is important that FRC Teams ensure their ALLIANCE partners have passed Inspection. Allowing a partner that has not passed Inspection to play puts the ALLIANCE at risk of DISQUALIFICATION. Teams should check with their ALLIANCE partners early, and help them pass Inspection before competing.

Sending TEAM members to the ARENA without the ROBOT is considered participating in a MATCH.
Specifically note the blue box where it says to check with your partners early to make sure they have passed inspection.

Thus I think it is a stretch to make T6 all encompassing and suddenly say that it applies to any instance in which a robot may be non-compliant with the rules.

There is zero precedent before the last two years to say this is the case. I have seen numerous cases of teams that were non-compliant with the rules during a qualification match that were told to remedy the situation before going out again, but never have I seen a team that got inspected and was temporarily non-compliant be DQ'ed after the fact (besides 973 last year, but that could be considered an isolated event and not a change in policy).

The precedent was only set this year when HQ decided specifically that this was the appropriate action to take (or backed up the Head Ref/LRI's decision).

Perhaps FIRST/the GDC's standpoint is that any non-compliant robot that competes after being inspected initially should be DQ'ed immediately after said match, or whenever it is brought to the attention of the LRI. If it is, they should explicitly say so, as well as who the burden of proof is placed on when it comes to getting inspected. It is completely unreasonable to place that burden on a team acting in good faith that has approved any changes with an inspector. If the requirement is for the LRI to pass changes, then that should be explicitly stated. At SVR and Waterloo we have requested that the LRI inspect changes that we make to our partners, for fear of getting burned by exactly what happened to 233 (and previously 973). At times we have felt like their time is being wasted with trivial changes, but it is the only way for us to ensure there is no blowback later.
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