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Re: Galileo 2014

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10th best OPR in the division and can only pull a 3-7 curse you scheduling gods.
We're 11th and right there with you. But that's why they play the games.
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The OPR predictor had us going like 5-7 and finishing 33rd in Boston. We went 9-3 and finished third. Take it for what it's worth. In this game OPR is not everything. Three bots, with good strategy, working together, can do what the OPR predictor says they can't.
It's all about not getting penalties really, most of these matches should be within 1 cycle, especially if you're a high OPR bot and it says you'll lose.

I don't take OPR seriously this year after our match in Lansing where OPR had us losing by 100 pts, then we realized no one on the other team could actually score the ball.
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Re: Galileo 2014

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10th best OPR in the division and can only pull a 3-7 curse you scheduling gods.
9th and we have 6-4.
As we found out at the Chesapeake regional OPR can be raised for teams that necessarily don't have that OPR if they have good qualification alliances.
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Re: Galileo 2014

What we all have to keep in mind is that Championships is absolutely ridiculous. Nobody is really in control of their situation, not even the "power houses". In addition, this game is interesting in the way that unexpected things can happen. Nothing is really predictable.
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Re: Galileo 2014

I added collumn T "Wheel/Tread". Please fill this out too! Examples are roughtop, mecanum, kop wheel, the various vex wheels, etc... Essentially looking for what kind of traction you have.

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Re: Galileo 2014

Hi Galileo Partners,

Team 2471, Team Mean Machine is excited to be on Galileo. I ran some statistics and found that our strength of schedule is fairly average, ranking 61st hardest. I averaged our partners and our opposition using Ed Law's spreadsheet numbers for highest tournament OPR. The difficulty number is how many points higher your opponents are than your partners. Your own OPR is not included. Higher numbers represent a harder schedule. I see why Shockwave is happy with their schedule. Go PNW! You can find your results here:

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Rank	Team	Partner	Oppos	Difficulty
1	179	40.78	62.19	21.41
2	3310	45.01	66.29	21.27
3	384	48.03	66.82	18.78
4	225	47.37	65.81	18.43
5	771	47.53	65.78	18.25
6	4288	47.09	60.78	13.68
7	5122	50.73	64.11	13.38
8	4917	50.79	63.91	13.11
9	4536	52.45	65.19	12.73
10	4476	50.62	62.81	12.19
11	2337	49.43	60.78	11.35
12	488	50.48	61.61	11.12
13	4063	50.7	61.78	11.08
14	188	51.76	62.52	10.76
15	3316	55.03	65.77	10.74
16	2974	52.14	61.77	9.62
17	5320	55.46	64.58	9.12
18	836	52.64	61.26	8.62
19	2665	53.14	60.76	7.61
20	337	56.1	63.08	6.98
21	4256	55.32	62.28	6.96
22	193	54.75	61.38	6.62
23	955	56.12	62.73	6.6
24	148	52.64	59.19	6.54
25	2424	54.96	61.25	6.29
26	1885	59	64.23	5.22
27	857	56.41	61.3	4.89
28	2642	55.77	60.32	4.54
29	1717	53.03	57.4	4.37
30	1011	60.03	63.92	3.88
31	3103	57.64	61.32	3.68
32	5137	61.29	64.91	3.61
33	5098	51.58	55.06	3.48
34	604	57.29	60.18	2.88
35	70	55.9	58.18	2.28
36	217	56.8	59.08	2.28
37	67	60.01	62.16	2.14
38	2481	56.01	57.91	1.89
39	766	57	58.59	1.58
40	884	60.83	62.29	1.46
41	4979	58.39	59.73	1.33
42	1515	59.44	60.15	0.7
43	3191	58.28	58.7	0.42
44	1683	58.56	58.76	0.19
45	2363	57.92	57.9	-0.02
46	4940	59.02	58.91	-0.12
47	228	56.18	55.79	-0.39
48	1730	59.37	58.9	-0.48
49	79	57.51	56.95	-0.56
50	3360	56.12	55.46	-0.67
51	1266	56.97	56.03	-0.94
52	3008	57.13	56.04	-1.09
53	4985	54.13	52.87	-1.26
54	4982	60.35	59.06	-1.29
55	5145	62.49	61.1	-1.39
56	2135	61.73	60.24	-1.5
57	126	55.74	54.12	-1.63
58	1775	60.46	58.82	-1.65
59	1310	63.07	60.86	-2.21
60	2177	63.78	61.56	-2.23
61	2471	57.34	55.12	-2.23
62	3480	62.99	60.52	-2.47
63	1334	58.26	55.23	-3.04
64	558	58.11	54.86	-3.26
65	303	62.97	59.52	-3.45
66	4945	58.01	54.45	-3.57
67	714	62.43	58.79	-3.65
68	1023	59.95	56.23	-3.72
69	1153	64.44	60.45	-4
70	4965	54.39	50.2	-4.2
71	2122	59.7	55.34	-4.37
72	4060	58.88	54.38	-4.5
73	973	62.38	57.62	-4.77
74	1218	61.9	56.97	-4.93
75	4991	57.29	52.29	-5
76	45	52.41	47.14	-5.27
77	1318	64.63	58.87	-5.76
78	3504	64.89	58.98	-5.92
79	2052	66.5	60.51	-5.99
80	176	69.18	62.97	-6.22
81	3683	59.14	52.77	-6.37
82	869	64.34	57.66	-6.68
83	5012	61.1	54.27	-6.83
84	3937	63.73	56.29	-7.44
85	353	64.65	56.51	-8.14
86	1756	64.24	55.89	-8.35
87	3098	66.13	57.66	-8.48
88	4176	67.84	58.77	-9.08
89	5148	63.72	52.62	-11.1
90	4967	64.61	53.45	-11.16
91	2980	69.56	57.04	-12.52
92	494	67.57	54.48	-13.1
93	862	67.89	54.6	-13.3
94	1108	66.6	53.3	-13.3
95	4488	65.18	50.12	-15.07
96	365	69.85	54.64	-15.22
97	3309	63.75	48.27	-15.48
98	4719	72.59	54.76	-17.83
99	3138	73.91	53.69	-20.22
100	1610	74.9	54.35	-20.55
				
avg OPR	58.64777914	Average Difficulty		0.0009
		Standard Deviation		8.889776456
		2 Standard Deviations		17.77955291
				
Hard Outliers:				
1	179	40.78	62.19	21.41
2	3310	45.01	66.29	21.27
3	384	48.03	66.82	18.78
4	225	47.37	65.81	18.43
5	771	47.53	65.78	18.25
				
Easy Outliers:				
98	4719	72.59	54.76	-17.83
99	3138	73.91	53.69	-20.22
100	1610	74.9	54.35	-20.55
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Re: Galileo 2014

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Re: Galileo 2014

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Rank 1-10 is basically a grouping for the 100 teams in the division it is based of OPR.

Top 10 Team = Group 10
11-20 = Group 9
etc

Kiss Pass = Bumper to Bumper Pass between robots (Does your intake have to come outside your FP to pass the ball off)

0 = No, 1 = Yes, and H = Truss to Human

Ignore the Matches Tab (now deleted) I used my 2013 version as a template.

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Re: Galileo 2014

We just noticed theres a very large gap between our first match (Quals 9 at ~9:48 AM) to our second match (Quals 33 at ~1:12 PM) which is after lunch. Looks like if we discover somethings wrong in our first match (Which is unlikely) we'll definetly have time to fix it.
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Re: Galileo 2014

I've been reading some of the posts...especially after the rankings based on OPR were posted and while its a nice thought...and i hope it happens....never say never.....OPR might be better suited for regionals and districts...but CMP being the wayit is always has been and can be very unpredictable. I really can't see predicting seedings based on OPR at CMP.

What OPR can't and doesn't tell you are things like what happens when a veteran driver gets sick and you put a timid rookie driver in...or if you lose communication during a match...or an alliance partner gets knocked over...or
your Power board goes out and you can't run in the next match while you fix it.

We've had things like this happen....
In our first year and our first year going to CMP we did pretty well after our regional at Va. But during our third match at CMP one of our joy sticks died on us....we didn't know why until later, but that was something going in we
didn't count on happening.

Last year we had a half decent robot and decided to try and improve it for CMP....well you know the old saying...if its not broke don't fix it....we ended up working almost the entire time at CMP to at least get it back to the way it was....well we started to work better in our last couple matches....and in our last match we thought we'd at least have a chance to win that one. We were with team 33...one of the "better" teams....the alliance had a plan...but during the match it fell apart and we didn't win that or any other match we had. Funny how our match schedule ranking is 100th....especially after coming in being ranked 100th in our division last year. Maybe First is giving us a break....who knows....

Even this year things happened we didn't expect....We went to Chesapeake and did pretty well. We were predicted to lose two matches though. A match we should have won we didn't and the one we were predicted to lose we won. In our second match on Saturday we fiqured we'd win it because we were doing good and we were with team 233 (yes that pink team from Florida)...We'll the first mistake was made even before the match started...and so were several others during the match. We ended up losing that match by only 6 points....Had we won it would have changed not only our seeding, but 233's...and that probably would have changed the outcome of eliminations at Chesapeake....

This is why i'm a bit leary of rankings by OPR.
like i said...i hope its true...but i'm prepared either way.
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Re: Galileo 2014

FRC OPR suffers from small sample size and inability to normalize across regionals or even weeks of play. It's outright ridiculous to think that it means anything tangible when it comes to ranking teams in a Division.

To put it in a different perspective, which would we rather have: OPR or Youtube? There are 4 solid days between now and Qual Match 1, so there is almost no excuse to use OPR for most teams come Thursday.
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Re: Galileo 2014

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FRC OPR suffers from small sample size and inability to normalize across regionals or even weeks of play. It's outright ridiculous to think that it means anything tangible when it comes to ranking teams in a Division.

To put it in a different perspective, which would we rather have: OPR or Youtube? There are 4 solid days between now and Qual Match 1, so there is almost no excuse to use OPR for most teams come Thursday.
In all competitions people talk stats. It's a way to attempt to predict how well one team or another will do. So, while I agree with the statement above, there is no way to stop the reading of the crystal ball.

I do recommend that everyone watch youtube though.
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The attach PDF has every teams matches from the preliminary schedule by team each page of the report is its own team by number. Not sure if anyone will find it useful but wanted everyone to know Team 2642 - Pitt Pirates is looking forward to the competition on Galileo and wants to help everyone compete.
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One major thing to remember about OPR, is that it's a linear measure. When the game is non-linear (ie. Assists dependent upon robots) than OPR isn't a very useful metric. Last year was a decent use of OPR because the scoring progression was linear (Disks, goal, repeat, climb).

Our team uses OPR as a fun statistic to calculate, but we rely fully on our own scouting when creating a strategy and eliminations picks.
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Re: Galileo 2014

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Hard Outliers:
1 179 40.78 62.19 21.41
2 3310 45.01 66.29 21.27
3 384 48.03 66.82 18.78
4 225 47.37 65.81 18.43
5 771 47.53 65.78 18.25

Easy Outliers:
98 4719 72.59 54.76 -17.83
99 3138 73.91 53.69 -20.22
100 1610 74.9 54.35 -20.55
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