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That isnt doubt, thats the thought of winning it all.
The thought of winning it all? That's a nice feeling ... one that we don't even dream of ...
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In 2012, the third robot on the championship alliance was ranked #7 in the FRC top 25 poll prior to Championship. In 2013, the third robot on the championship alliance was ranked #10 in the FRC top 25 poll prior to Championship.
Good point, but for it to happen on EVERY division?
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Re: Einstein 2014

ITT, people who don't know about 4 robot alliances.
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Good point, but for it to happen on EVERY division?
This is FIRST : crazy things can happen. And they usually do.
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This is FIRST : crazy things can happen. And they usually do.
An even more valid point...

I suppose crazier things HAVE happened.
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I suppose crazier things HAVE happened.
Six seasons ago, a team with a robot that could not perform the game's signature scoring function nevertheless seeded #1 at a week 1 regional. Later that season they were the final pick in their CMP division, and that alliance* won on Einstein.

Looking back it is hard to fathom how that alliance was allowed to form. I guess only the best scouts at CMP could see it at time.

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Six seasons ago, a team with a robot that could not perform the game's signature scoring function nevertheless seeded #1 at a week 1 regional. Later that season they were the final pick in their CMP division, and that alliance* won on Einstein.

Looking back it is hard to fathom how that alliance was allowed to form. I guess only the best scouts at CMP could see it at time.

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And which one of the three was the disadvantaged one?
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And which one of the three was the disadvantaged one?
148 designed their robot to primarily run laps around the field as quickly as possible.
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And which one of the three was the disadvantaged one?
I believe he is talking about 148 in 2008. They were really only a drivetrain,but an amazing one at that. Their soul strategy was to gain as many 'laps' as possible, scoring points without the main objective, the GIANT ball.

2008 Einstein Finals 2: http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2008ein_f1m2

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Six seasons ago, a team with a robot that could not perform the game's signature scoring function nevertheless seeded #1 at a week 1 regional. Later that season they were the final pick in their CMP division, and that alliance* won on Einstein.

Looking back it is hard to fathom how that alliance was allowed to form. I guess only the best scouts at CMP could see it at time.


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Not the best example. 1114 was going to win with just about anyone. John even publicly posted that his fridge could have been put on the field in place of 148, and they still would have won.
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Not the best example. 1114 was going to win with just about anyone. John even publicly posted that his fridge could have been put on the field in place of 148, and they still would have won.
Everyone said 1114/469 would win 2010 CMP but then look what happened.
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Everyone said 1114/469 would win 2010 CMP but then look what happened.
I believe Cory meant that year in particular, 1114's robot in 2008 was pretty spectacular, a design that a lot of teams have borrowed from for this season.
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Re: Einstein 2014

A better example might be the 2013 World Champions. I wasn't there so I might have missed something, but I'm not sure how 610, a robot capable of scoring 112 points by itself without ever picking a disc up off the ground fell to be a third pick. They even had pretty alright full-court capability and a removable blocker.
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Everyone said 1114/469 would win 2010 CMP but then look what happened.
148 made no statistical difference in terms of wins for the 1114/217/148 alliance. For the 469/1114 alliance, they could have had anything from JVN's fridge to 67 as their third robot and yet they still would have lost that second match because the third robot would get stuck in the goal.
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