New Championship Layout 2015

[MARS_James]

Originally Posted by rich2202

Divisions

Assuming there are 7 fields, I think there should be dedicated divisions for:

1) Rookie teams. A rookie team that made it through winning a region/district could chose to compete with the rookies or in the regular divisions.

2) Teams that did not win a regional/district.

Let's say that leaves 4 divisions made up of solely Regional/District winners. Those would be the ones to compete on the Einstein field. In this configuration, the 4 Competing division fields would be the two on each end of the stadium. The other fields could be done by Friday night, and be torn down and out of the way for the Einstein finals, leaving a lot of seating with a view of the center of the stadium.

Just gonna throw out a two problems with this.

1. Where do you put the teams who qualified under the district system that didn't win there district championship or even a single district such as 1640 our Einstein Finalist
2. Do wild card winners go in the non-win division or the winner divisions like 1477 our Archimedes winner or 2848 our Einstein Winner

I am just going to say that splitting divisions by how you got here is a slippery slope and should not be done.

[thefro526]

Originally Posted by MARS_James

Just gonna throw out a two problems with this.

1. Where do you put the teams who qualified under the district system that didn't win there district championship or even a single district such as 1640 our Einstein Finalist
2. Do wild card winners go in the non-win division or the winner divisions like 1477 our Archimedes winner or 2848 our Einstein Winner

I am just going to say that splitting divisions by how you got here is a slippery slope and should not be done.

1) 1640 qualified through being one of the highest ranked teams in MAR after the final points sort. District Finalist, District Championship Alliance Captain, and played in Elims at their first district.... and a Division Winner in 2013.

2) 1477 was the reigning world champion.

There NEEDS to be a split at the championship, or there will never be a TRUE championship. The fact that there are teams that cannot control a game piece or positively contribute to an alliances overall effort really lowers the overall caliber of an event that is considered to be our 'Championship.' With that being said, we are fortunate enough to have crowned the best teams for the past few years, but not without a lot of undo stress along the way.

A team doesn't need to 'Win' to qualify for the championship, they can qualify however they make it work. But to truly play for a championship, that team should at least be able to complete the game objective.

There are a bunch of ways to make this work, one is putting them in their own division, with creates a lot of its own issues - mainly being that many of these teams will never get to interact with some of the most inspirational teams in FRC, but at the same time, ruining a top teams season isn't all that inspirational either....

An off the wall idea is to use some portion of load in day to give each team a chance to show their stuff on an open field... Those who cannot actually complete the game objective at some basic level are put into the match schedule differently, in a different 'class' or something, and any matches that are played with them (or an unbalanced amount from one alliance to the other) are treated as surrogate matches for the teams that are truly there to compete for the championship.... Now they're interacting with the top teams, and being inspired by the best, and at the same time those 'best teams' aren't being punished by the luck of the schedule at our 'Championship' event.

[PayneTrain]

Originally Posted by thefro526

There NEEDS to be a split at the championship, or there will never be a TRUE championship.

Isn't there already a split where you go from 100 teams on a division down to 32?