New Championship Layout 2015

[MikeE]

Originally Posted by Oblarg

Galois.

Would be nice to have the 'M' in STEM get some representation

+1 for the Galois Field joke

[Oblarg]

Originally Posted by MikeE

+1 for the Galois Field joke

Perhaps we could call the winning alliance the "Galois group?"

[StillDefective]

On the point of noise pollution, FTC had 2 divisions with two fields RIGHT next to each other, and Curie next to those and it wasn't much of a problem. Whoever did the sound setup knows their stuff, because if you sat in the right place, you would only notice the field that you were watching and not any of the adjacent ones.

[Ernst]

Originally Posted by StillDefective

On the point of noise pollution, FTC had 2 divisions with two fields RIGHT next to each other, and Curie next to those and it wasn't much of a problem. Whoever did the sound setup knows their stuff, because if you sat in the right place, you would only notice the field that you were watching and not any of the adjacent ones.

I wasn't in the stands for Archimedes and Newton for very long, but I can imagine that it gets pretty confusing as you get closer to where their stands blend. That kind of crossover (of both seats and sound) would be significantly more common if we wedged another 2 fields into the dome.

[Calrobe]

Originally Posted by ZehP

I wasn't in the stands for Archimedes and Newton for very long, but I can imagine that it gets pretty confusing as you get closer to where their stands blend. That kind of crossover (of both seats and sound) would be significantly more common if we wedged another 2 fields into the dome.

As a member of Archimedes queuing, I can say that both sound and seating might be a problem if you sat between the two fields. If you are worried about not to hear, you could have sat behind the red driver station, since no one was over there.

[tindleroot]

Seeing that only one part of the dome is moving next year (FTC), I feel that for FRC First should make a rookie team division. Given a solid influx of new teams each year, FIRST could add a division of 50-100 rookie teams that qualify from rookie all-star, etc. Even though this division would not compete in Einstein, there would still be 3 (or 4) World Rookie Championship teams. Plus, the competition would not be as rough for rookie teams, so rookies would have a solid chance to win compared to relatively little chance as it stands now. Teams would feel more inspired by other rookie teams as well as the prospects of being in one of the major divisions the following year. More non-rookie teams would also be able to fill in spots at nationals that rookies currently have. I feel that if First played this right, adding a rookie division would make a better experience for all teams with more competitive divisions, giving rookies easier competition, and still trying to provide that inspiration to work harder in the future. However, I am not sure how successful rookie teams (winning regionals, etc.) would work; maybe they would just qualify like the rest of the veteran teams.

[dcarr]

Originally Posted by tindleroot

Seeing that only one part of the dome is moving next year (FTC), I feel that for FRC First should make a rookie team division. Given a solid influx of new teams each year, FIRST could add a division of 50-100 rookie teams that qualify from rookie all-star, etc. Even though this division would not compete in Einstein, there would still be 3 (or 4) World Rookie Championship teams. Plus, the competition would not be as rough for rookie teams, so rookies would have a solid chance to win compared to relatively little chance as it stands now. Teams would feel more inspired by other rookie teams as well as the prospects of being in one of the major divisions the following year. More non-rookie teams would also be able to fill in spots at nationals that rookies currently have. I feel that if First played this right, adding a rookie division would make a better experience for all teams with more competitive divisions, giving rookies easier competition, and still trying to provide that inspiration to work harder in the future. However, I am not sure how successful rookie teams (winning regionals, etc.) would work; maybe they would just qualify like the rest of the veteran teams.

By suggesting this, you are implicitly saying that rookies are guaranteed to be less capable than veteran teams and should not even be given a chance to play (win?) with & against veteran teams. I think this is an incorrect assumption.

There are so many counter examples of rookies that outshine veteran teams.

[tindleroot]

Originally Posted by dcarr

By suggesting this, you are implicitly saying that rookies are guaranteed to be less capable than veteran teams and should not even be given a chance to play (win?) with & against veteran teams. I think this is an incorrect assumption.

There are so many counter examples of rookies that outshine veteran teams.

This is not quite my point. I know some rookie teams can be successful; there was one who made it to Einstein this year. However, it has shown over the years that veteran teams by nature have more success since they have more experienced coaches who understand the logistics of first. There are exceptions; I agree there should be a way to address them and give rookie teams a chance to win. However, history has shown in general rookie teams are not up to the caliber of the veterans. I agree this is the flaw in my idea and I believe some modified implementation of this idea will make the championships a better experience for all teams.

[PayneTrain]

Originally Posted by ZehP

I wasn't in the stands for Archimedes and Newton for very long, but I can imagine that it gets pretty confusing as you get closer to where their stands blend. That kind of crossover (of both seats and sound) would be significantly more common if we wedged another 2 fields into the dome.

It wouldn't be any more of a problem than sitting in the corner between Curie and Archimedes or Newton and Galileo. Adding two more fields isn't insane, especially if you take out Saturday morning quals and start alliance selections first thing in the morning to turn Einstein into a round robin.

[tindleroot]

Originally Posted by StillDefective

On the point of noise pollution, FTC had 2 divisions with two fields RIGHT next to each other, and Curie next to those and it wasn't much of a problem. Whoever did the sound setup knows their stuff, because if you sat in the right place, you would only notice the field that you were watching and not any of the adjacent ones.

I agree, being in Curie myself. Maybe also if they set up curtains in between each field like the ones behind the screens it would help isolate each division without making them farther apart. You could still see other divisions simply by walking over to them.