Go to Post The hardest resource to come by in FRC is the one you can't buy: a well-trained, experienced, well-intentioned, dedicated mentor. - PayneTrain [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > Technical > Technical Discussion
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 12-05-2014, 17:23
Clem1640's Avatar
Clem1640 Clem1640 is offline
Head Mentor
AKA: Clem McKown
FRC #1640 (Sab-BOT-age)
Team Role: Leadership
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Rookie Year: 2006
Location: Downingtown PA
Posts: 249
Clem1640 has a reputation beyond reputeClem1640 has a reputation beyond reputeClem1640 has a reputation beyond reputeClem1640 has a reputation beyond reputeClem1640 has a reputation beyond reputeClem1640 has a reputation beyond reputeClem1640 has a reputation beyond reputeClem1640 has a reputation beyond reputeClem1640 has a reputation beyond reputeClem1640 has a reputation beyond reputeClem1640 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Recommended Sensors

Quote:
Originally Posted by adciv View Post
The main question comes down to what do you want to sense, and then how do you do that.
That's the key question. What do you want to sense?

For our swerve drive, we need to know absolute angle: 360 degrees and stop-less. We use BI Technologies Magnepot Hall Effect Potentiometer Part # 6127V1A360L.5FS to do this. The analog sensor works very well and is ~$11 ea.
__________________


Clem McKown
Head Mentor - FRC 1640 & FTC 7314
Chairman - Downingtown Area Robotics
  #2   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 12-05-2014, 19:02
Tyler2517's Avatar
Tyler2517 Tyler2517 is offline
ShortOnes
AKA: Tyler Gibb
FRC #2517 (Evergreen Robotics)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Rookie Year: 2011
Location: Vancouver, WA
Posts: 203
Tyler2517 has a spectacular aura aboutTyler2517 has a spectacular aura aboutTyler2517 has a spectacular aura about
Re: Recommended Sensors

It depends a lot on what you are doing. Along with accurate do you need to be.

For instance when we started redesigning out swerve drive we sat down and listed all of the sensors we would want / have to use.
1. Steering encoder (absolute ,continuous)
2. Drive encoder (quadrature)
3. Gyro for field based control.
4. Limit switch to auto home swerve.
  #3   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 12-05-2014, 20:56
adciv adciv is offline
One Eyed Man
FRC #0836 (RoboBees)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Rookie Year: 2010
Location: Southern Maryland
Posts: 478
adciv is a name known to alladciv is a name known to alladciv is a name known to alladciv is a name known to alladciv is a name known to alladciv is a name known to all
Re: Recommended Sensors

To give a bit more background, our 2012 Rebound Rumble robot was... interesting. We used the following sensors:

Axis M11 Camerax2
Hall effect x1
Proximity Sensor x3
Light/Dark sensor x1
IR Prox Switch x1 (from LogoMotion)
Limit Switch x1
Encoder x2
Absolute Encoder x1 (analog)
Ultrasonic Rangefinder x2

I think we maxed out all the DIO on the sidecare that year, and I'm pretty sure I'm missing at least some sensors.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by texarkana View Post
I would not want the task of devising a system that 50,000 very smart people try to outwit.
  #4   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 12-05-2014, 21:29
Gregor's Avatar
Gregor Gregor is offline
#StickToTheStratisQuo
AKA: Gregor Browning
no team
Team Role: College Student
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Rookie Year: 2012
Location: Kingston, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 2,447
Gregor has a reputation beyond reputeGregor has a reputation beyond reputeGregor has a reputation beyond reputeGregor has a reputation beyond reputeGregor has a reputation beyond reputeGregor has a reputation beyond reputeGregor has a reputation beyond reputeGregor has a reputation beyond reputeGregor has a reputation beyond reputeGregor has a reputation beyond reputeGregor has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Recommended Sensors

Quote:
Originally Posted by adciv View Post
To give a bit more background, our 2012 Rebound Rumble robot was... interesting. We used the following sensors:

Axis M11 Camerax2
Hall effect x1
Proximity Sensor x3
Light/Dark sensor x1
IR Prox Switch x1 (from LogoMotion)
Limit Switch x1
Encoder x2
Absolute Encoder x1 (analog)
Ultrasonic Rangefinder x2

I think we maxed out all the DIO on the sidecare that year, and I'm pretty sure I'm missing at least some sensors.
Sounds awesome! Lets try and guess what they were for.

Axis M11 Camerax2
Vision tracking and a ball pickup camera.

Hall effect x1
Shooter feedback

Proximity Sensor x3
Ball sensors?

Light/Dark sensor x1
?

IR Prox Switch x1 (from LogoMotion)
?

Limit Switch x1
Turret soft stop

Encoder x2
Drivetrain

Absolute Encoder x1 (analog)
Turret feedback

Ultrasonic Rangefinder x2
?
__________________
What are nationals? Sounds like a fun American party, can we Canadians come?
“For me, insanity is super sanity. The normal is psychotic. Normal means lack of imagination, lack of creativity.” -Jean Dubuffet
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein
FLL 2011-2015 Glen Ames Robotics-Student, Mentor
FRC 2012-2013 Team 907-Scouting Lead, Strategy Lead, Human Player, Driver
FRC 2014-2015 Team 1310-Mechanical, Electrical, Drive Captain
FRC 2011-xxxx Volunteer
How I came to be a FIRSTer
<Since 2011
  #5   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 13-05-2014, 09:46
Hugh Meyer's Avatar
Hugh Meyer Hugh Meyer is offline
Registered User
FRC #1741 (Red Alert Robotics)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Rookie Year: 2008
Location: Greenwood Indiana
Posts: 158
Hugh Meyer has much to be proud ofHugh Meyer has much to be proud ofHugh Meyer has much to be proud ofHugh Meyer has much to be proud ofHugh Meyer has much to be proud ofHugh Meyer has much to be proud ofHugh Meyer has much to be proud ofHugh Meyer has much to be proud of
Re: Recommended Sensors

Here is a link to a sensor presentation I have done at worlds in 2013 and Purdue. It shows several types and explains how to wire them.

http://rar.meyermat.net/workshops/sensors/index.html

-Hugh
  #6   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 15-05-2014, 09:01
adciv adciv is offline
One Eyed Man
FRC #0836 (RoboBees)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Rookie Year: 2010
Location: Southern Maryland
Posts: 478
adciv is a name known to alladciv is a name known to alladciv is a name known to alladciv is a name known to alladciv is a name known to alladciv is a name known to all
Re: Recommended Sensors

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregor View Post
Sounds awesome! Lets try and guess what they were for.?

Axis M11 Camerax2
Vision tracking and a ball pickup camera.
- Distance/angle to Target using binocular vision. Ball Pickup is something we're looking at adding now that we have an example to work from. We used this system as (at the time) it provided better accuracy & noise rejection over using one.

Hall effect x1
Shooter feedback
- Correct

Proximity Sensor x3
Ball sensors?
- Correct. We used this for managing the balls in the robot. We maintained positive control & position knowlege over all three at all times through the use of a state machine.

Light/Dark sensor x1
?
- Used for telling us when our turrent was in the home position.

IR Prox Switch x1 (from LogoMotion)
?
- We used this at the front of the ball intake to let us know when a new ball was coming in. The proximity sensors were further up the system, and with the three ball limit we wanted to ensure we never possessed a fourth.

Limit Switch x1
Turret soft stop
- We had a "spear" that would come down for lowering the bridge. It was used as a softstop for that.

Encoder x2
Drivetrain
- Correct.

Absolute Encoder x1 (analog)
Turret feedback
- Correct, although we would loop it and had to add code which would note this. Our turret had a range of about 3 full encoder revolutions.

Ultrasonic Rangefinder x2
- Ball Detection.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by texarkana View Post
I would not want the task of devising a system that 50,000 very smart people try to outwit.
Closed Thread


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:01.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi